MVC Hoops: 2018-19

[VUGrad1314]

Mid-major madness likes Evansville's direction.

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/8/16/17693414/walter-mccarty-sam-cunliffe-evansville-aces-college-basketball-missouri-valley-recruiting-transfer

[VUGrad1314]

Big days coming up for SIU.

https://dailyegyptian.com/85546/showcase/illinois-house-higher-education-committee-to-hold-hearings-at-carbondale-edwardsville-regarding-siu-system/

[VU2014]

Oddly enough, DePaul got a commitment today from 2019 Mac Irvin Fire Top 100 Terrance Shannon.

That didn't take long. Can't say I'm surprised.

https://twitter.com/CBBToday/status/1031235746076786688

[VUGrad1314]

Wonder who's in play for him. Does this bode well for Loyola?

[VU2014]

Wonder who's in play for him. Does this bode well for Loyola?

The highest bidder.

[VUGrad1314]

You mean the NCAAhas once again fixed absolutely nothing? Imagine my surprise.

[IrishDawg]

Oddly enough, DePaul got a commitment today from 2019 Mac Irvin Fire Top 100 Terrance Shannon.

That didn't take long. Can't say I'm surprised.

https://twitter.com/CBBToday/status/1031235746076786688

Me neither - we'll see if this winds up being another Tyger Campbell situation for DePaul.

[IrishDawg]

Below is a list of players that committed to DePaul but ending up decommitting or transferring-out under Leitao's second run. This is under a three-year period (starting in March of 2015).

Austin Grandstaff - Transfer - 8/11/18
Brandon Cyrus - Transfer - 3/26/18
Oumar Barry - Transfer - 3/30/16
Tommy Hamilton - Transfer - 6/22/16
Develle Phillips - Transfer - 3/30/16
Frederick Scott - Transfer - 3/30/16
Al Eichelberger - Transfer - 6/2/17
Justin Roberts - Transfer - 6/1/18
Erten Gazi - Transfer - 4/10/17
Levi Cook - Transfer - 9/15/17
Tyger Campbell - DeCommits - 9/2/17
Terrence Shannon - DeCommits - 8/19/18

Tough to bring a program back when you can't establish a culture with your players.  I get when there's a coaching change that players might feel a commitment to the old guard, but everyone except Tommy Hamilton committed at some point to play for Leitao.

[VUGrad1314]

Missouri State's nonconference slate is weak at home and strong on the road just like ours appears to be.

Evangel (Exhibition)
Oral Roberts
Robert Morris (CBE Classic)
Stetson (CBE Classic)
Nebraska (CBE Classic -Kansas City)
USC/Texas Tech (CBE Classic - Kansas City)
at Murray State
at Oregon State
Western Kentucky
at North Dakota State
at Arkansas State
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
William Woods

[VU2014]

Missouri State's nonconference slate is weak at home and strong on the road just like ours appears to be.

Evangel (Exhibition)
Oral Roberts
Robert Morris (CBE Classic)
Stetson (CBE Classic)
Nebraska (CBE Classic -Kansas City)
USC/Texas Tech (CBE Classic - Kansas City)
at Murray State
at Oregon State
Western Kentucky
at North Dakota State
at Arkansas State
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
William Woods

We don't have a team of WKU's caliber coming to the ARC this season. Their home schedule could be stronger than ours...

Prepare yourselves for a very disappointing home schedule.

[VUGrad1314]

That is pathetic.

[vu72]

Below is a list of players that committed to DePaul but ending up decommitting or transferring-out under Leitao's second run. This is under a three-year period (starting in March of 2015).

Austin Grandstaff - Transfer - 8/11/18
Brandon Cyrus - Transfer - 3/26/18
Oumar Barry - Transfer - 3/30/16
Tommy Hamilton - Transfer - 6/22/16
Develle Phillips - Transfer - 3/30/16
Frederick Scott - Transfer - 3/30/16
Al Eichelberger - Transfer - 6/2/17
Justin Roberts - Transfer - 6/1/18
Erten Gazi - Transfer - 4/10/17
Levi Cook - Transfer - 9/15/17
Tyger Campbell - DeCommits - 9/2/17
Terrence Shannon - DeCommits - 8/19/18

Tough to bring a program back when you can't establish a culture with your players.  I get when there's a coaching change that players might feel a commitment to the old guard, but everyone except Tommy Hamilton committed at some point to play for Leitao.

Missouri State's nonconference slate is weak at home and strong on the road just like ours appears to be.

Evangel (Exhibition)
Oral Roberts
Robert Morris (CBE Classic)
Stetson (CBE Classic)
Nebraska (CBE Classic -Kansas City)
USC/Texas Tech (CBE Classic - Kansas City)
at Murray State
at Oregon State
Western Kentucky
at North Dakota State
at Arkansas State
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
William Woods

But...I'm guessing the North Dakota State, Arkansas State and Murray State games are the front end of a home and home.

[VUGrad1314]

I'm pretty sure  Murray State is and I suspect that Arkansas State is. Not sure about North Dakota State

[VUGrad1314]

Missouri State's nonconference slate is weak at home and strong on the road just like ours appears to be. Evangel (Exhibition) Oral Roberts Robert Morris (CBE Classic) Stetson (CBE Classic) Nebraska (CBE Classic -Kansas City) USC/Texas Tech (CBE Classic - Kansas City) at Murray State at Oregon State Western Kentucky at North Dakota State at Arkansas State Arkansas-Pine Bluff William Woods

We don't have a team of WKU's caliber coming to the ARC this season. Their home schedule could be stronger than ours... Prepare yourselves for a very disappointing home schedule.

Just how bad is bad? Like worse than last year (which was also awful)?

[justducky]

Just how bad is bad? Like worse than last year (which was also awful)?

I would say probably.       Ball St might be the only home non conference game I attend and watch them schedule it for a day and time where I can not go.   

[VUGrad1314]

Starting in 2019 they REALLY need to take advantage of their MVC membership and make improving their nonconference home schedule a priority.

[VUGrad1314]

Wow. Look at all the talent flowing into the conference. Check out this tweet from the Evansville beat writer.

https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/1031648978541137925

[IrishDawg]

Wow. Look at all the talent flowing into the conference. Check out this tweet from the Evansville beat writer.

https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/1031648978541137925

I'm not discounting that at least some of the guys on this list are going to play big roles at their respective MVC schools, but what makes the players on this list "talent"?  The major conference transfers had good high school pedigrees but haven't necessarily produced at a high level, while the transfers from lesser leagues have likely produced, but in lesser leagues.  The MVC also had 18 players transfer out during the year as well, and while it's a net positive if you look at high school rankings as the verbal commits listing does, I think if you re-ranked these prospects with the rest of the guys in their class in college basketball, guys with higher ratings like Silva (who was an extremely inefficient player for South Florida), and Gordon (who was a decent minimal bench piece for Seton Hall, but definitely didn't live up to his high school ranking, IMO) would take a hit.

Again, not questioning that the MVC is bringing in more talent through the transfer market than what is exiting through that same market (Ryan Taylor and Dru Smith were pretty good for Evansville), but I think for the majority of these guys (Josh Hall and Nick Robinson are exceptions to this, IMO), it's just a wait-and-see scenario that we won't know about until next year.

I also thought Cooper Neese was eligible this year for Indiana State once the first semester was over.  I do wish the transfer rules were a little different in his case since he never suited up for Butler in a game that he didn't have to wait that long.

[VUBBFan]

Wow. Look at all the talent flowing into the conference. Check out this tweet from the Evansville beat writer. https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/1031648978541137925

Does this mean with 5 players not eligible until 19-20, that Missouri State will only have 8 scholarship players available to play this year?

[crusadermoe]

Regarding the Mo State schedule:

They will play P5 schools in a tournament in KANSAS CITY.  Distance-wise that is like Valpo playing the same level tournament in MILWAUKEE.

The Myrtle Beach tourney is a nice move for Valpo.  No complaints.   But the Bears will be playing two big non-conf. games within 3 hours of their campus.

[FieldGoodie05]

Wow. Look at all the talent flowing into the conference. Check out this tweet from the Evansville beat writer. https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/1031648978541137925

Does this mean with 5 players not eligible until 19-20, that Missouri State will only have 8 scholarship players available to play this year?

You make a solid point, this can be seen as future investment in the league.  If even 50% of these guys flash their high school brilliance that got them a P6 scholarship then I'd invest for that dividend!  I don't recall seeing a list anything alike to this in the Horizon League or Summit/Mid-Con?  Other than Oakland who had a stream of them, who else had the chops to consistently get P6 transfers?  Sure Milwaukee and some other major city schools had some kids returning home for various reasons, but not more than a drip in a bucket.

Butler strikes me as a team that had the chops to get P6 transfers.  Thoughts?

[letsgobears]

Jared Ridder & Josh Webster will be eligible for Missouri State this season.


letsgobears!

[VUBBFan]

Jared Ridder & Josh Webster will be eligible for Missouri State this season. letsgobears!

That makes more sense than having 5 guys sitting all at once for a year.

[VUGrad1314]

Article on Loyola's post-final four recruiting

https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/08/21/chicago-high-school-basketball-recruiting/

[VU2014]

https://twitter.com/hoopsnut351/status/1032642591240663041