Update: Ryan Broekhoff has agreed to a two-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks!!

[vu84v2]

When is said 'makes it', I meant that he not only was on the active roster to start the season, but also that he was in the regular rotation throughout the season.

[valpotx]

When is said 'makes it', I meant that he not only was on the active roster to start the season, but also that he was in the regular rotation throughout the season.

You wouldn't know this, as you probably aren't a Mavs fan, but we typically have a rotation of 13-14 players each game.  Therefore, my comment holds true, in that he is already in the rotation, not just active roster.

[valpo84]

Some analysis on Rowdy's role with Mavs for upcoming season--Aussie perspective....

https://pickandroll.com.au/what-to-expect-from-ryan-broekhoffs-debut-nba-season/

[valpotx]

Having another solid game as a top 10-11 minutes guy against Charlotte.  This is awesome for him.

[valpotx]

Recent preview around expectations for Rowdy:

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/10/13/17943704/dallas-mavericks-2018-player-preview-ryan-broekhoff

I very much agree that he is going to be a 10-15 mpg guy at the start of the season, and can earn more time based on performance during those minutes.

[JD24]

You wouldn't know this, as you probably aren't a Mavs fan, but we typically have a rotation of 13-14 players each game.  Therefore, my comment holds true, in that he is already in the rotation, not just active roster.

So the Mavs have a rotation which is greater in number than a given active roster for a game? Either that or you don't understand what "rotation" means in basketball parlance.

The real answer is a regular rotation of 3-4 guys beyond the starters who play significant minutes with maybe one or two other players having a lesser role but consistently. The number rarely gets to 10 total beyond a significant number of blowouts.

Broekhoff shoots well he'll play. If not he won't.  I don't think his calling card his hidden to anyone.

[valpotx]

You wouldn't know this, as you probably aren't a Mavs fan, but we typically have a rotation of 13-14 players each game.  Therefore, my comment holds true, in that he is already in the rotation, not just active roster.

So the Mavs have a rotation which is greater in number than a given active roster for a game? Either that or you don't understand what "rotation" means in basketball parlance.

The real answer is a regular rotation of 3-4 guys beyond the starters who play significant minutes with maybe one or two other players having a lesser role but consistently. The number rarely gets to 10 total beyond a significant number of blowouts.

Broekhoff shoots well he'll play. If not he won't.  I don't think his calling card his hidden to anyone.

It sounds like you don't know your rules, not I:

A team may have a maximum of 15 players on its active roster, and at least eight active players must suit up for every game. Any remaining players are placed in the Inactive List, and cannot play in games.[5][6] Teams may have a maximum of two players on the Inactive List; this can drop to zero for up to two weeks at a time, and additional, temporary inactive positions may be added with league approval in hardship cases. The Inactive List can change up to 60 minutes before opening tip by informing the official scorer of the game. A player can be inactive for as little as one game.[6] Players sent to the NBA Development League will continue to count on a team's inactive list.[7][8] While individual teams must carry a minimum of 13 (12 active plus one inactive) players, the NBA guarantees a league-wide average of at least 14 players per team. The league is surcharged if they do not meet the average.[6]

I am a Mavs fan.  It is often that we use anywhere between 10-14 players in a given game over the last few years.  Even during those games when we only play 10, it is a different 10, based on matchup.  Often times, we play 10-12.  Maxi Kleber's minutes/games from last year, are a good example of how Rowdy will start this season.  He will probably be in the top 10-11 guys, and get around 10 mpg.  If he does well, that increases.  If he does not do well, he falls to the lower part of the rotation, and plays in 1/3 of the games.  Some examples of games that were mid-year, and not blowouts:

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975011
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975576
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975597
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975636
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975650
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975676
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975692
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975755
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975061
http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975034

[FieldGoodie05]

You wouldn't know this, as you probably aren't a Mavs fan, but we typically have a rotation of 13-14 players each game.  Therefore, my comment holds true, in that he is already in the rotation, not just active roster.

So the Mavs have a rotation which is greater in number than a given active roster for a game? Either that or you don't understand what "rotation" means in basketball parlance.

The real answer is a regular rotation of 3-4 guys beyond the starters who play significant minutes with maybe one or two other players having a lesser role but consistently. The number rarely gets to 10 total beyond a significant number of blowouts.

Broekhoff shoots well he'll play. If not he won't.  I don't think his calling card his hidden to anyone.

JD24, interpersonal skills much?

[valpopal]

Looks like Valpo alum Adam Amin will be calling play-by-play of the game for the Bulls when Rowdy and the Mavs go against Chicago next week! 


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[JD24]

You wouldn't know this, as you probably aren't a Mavs fan, but we typically have a rotation of 13-14 players each game.  Therefore, my comment holds true, in that he is already in the rotation, not just active roster.

So the Mavs have a rotation which is greater in number than a given active roster for a game? Either that or you don't understand what "rotation" means in basketball parlance. The real answer is a regular rotation of 3-4 guys beyond the starters who play significant minutes with maybe one or two other players having a lesser role but consistently. The number rarely gets to 10 total beyond a significant number of blowouts. Broekhoff shoots well he'll play. If not he won't.  I don't think his calling card his hidden to anyone.

It sounds like you don't know your rules, not I

A team cannot play 14 players in a game because 14 players cannot be active for a given game.

A rotation is not every player who plays in every game. A rotation is a collection of players who play a somewhat defined number of significant minutes in a game i.e. 10 or more. This does not include a 4 or 5 minute appearance by players at the end of the bench.

Back to the point at hand for which nothing is earthshattering news. If Broekhoff shoots well he'll be part of the rotation. If he doesn't he'll be one of the 4 or 5 minute guys at best.

[JD24]

You wouldn't know this, as you probably aren't a Mavs fan, but we typically have a rotation of 13-14 players each game.  Therefore, my comment holds true, in that he is already in the rotation, not just active roster.

So the Mavs have a rotation which is greater in number than a given active roster for a game? Either that or you don't understand what "rotation" means in basketball parlance. The real answer is a regular rotation of 3-4 guys beyond the starters who play significant minutes with maybe one or two other players having a lesser role but consistently. The number rarely gets to 10 total beyond a significant number of blowouts. Broekhoff shoots well he'll play. If not he won't.  I don't think his calling card his hidden to anyone.

JD24, interpersonal skills much?

It was as interpersonal "skill-ish" as deserved.

[valpotx]

Again, the Mavs have a rotation of 10-12.  You can try and twist it however you want, but that is how Carlisle has always been with the Mavs.  You are still part of the rotation, if you get a consistent amount of minutes each game, which folks in the 10-12 range do for the Mavs, as evidenced by the small sampling of competitive games that I provided.  There are players who are considered #13 and #14 on the Mavs, who still get a decent run of play each season, and Carlisle would himself say that they are part of his rotation. 

Who knew that I should be coming to you for sports definitions all of this time?  Maybe I should ask you about baseball, as well.  Care to teach me some verbiage that you prefer on that side?  I only played in college, but maybe you can teach me something .

[JD24]

Again, the Mavs have a rotation of 10-12.  You can try and twist it however you want, but that is how Carlisle has always been with the Mavs. 

The only one doing any twisting is you. You had a rotation of 14 which is more than can dress. You either don't understand what a rotation is in basketball parlance or were just informed of the number of players eligible to play in an NBA game. However you're a big Mavs fan so you know more than the rest of us.

Carry on.

[valpotx]

Just want to point out that with 2:00 minutes left in the first quarter, we have already played 10 guys.  Don't be butt hurt, big guy.  Rowdy with his first career NBA 3 already, on his second try of the same possession.

Also, yes, unless someone is a Mavs fan, they would have no idea that we consistently play 10-12 each game.

[valpotx]

10 minutes left in the second quarter, and we are up to 11 players...who would have thought?

[vu84v2]

Ryan took his first three from the corner and missed. Mavs got the offensive rebound and kicked it back to him deep in the corner....swish. Missed one other three in the first half. Three total minutes and three points.

[IndyValpo]

Just want to point out that with 2:00 minutes left in the first quarter, we have already played 10 guys.  Don't be butt hurt, big guy.  Rowdy with his first career NBA 3 already, on his second try of the same possession.

Also, yes, unless someone is a Mavs fan, they would have no idea that we consistently play 10-12 each game.

Here was the problem your first comment said 13-14 which as was pointed out is impossible because 13 is the max. You compounded it by adding a bunch of box scores where only 13 were listed and I am not sure any of those played 13.  Had you started with the 10-12 comment all would have been fine.

[M]

The Mavs are terrible. He, and everyone else, should get plenty of action to prove themselves.

[valpolaw]

I was thinking the same when I saw they lost pretty bad to the Suns. 

[valpotx]

Just want to point out that with 2:00 minutes left in the first quarter, we have already played 10 guys.  Don't be butt hurt, big guy.  Rowdy with his first career NBA 3 already, on his second try of the same possession.

Also, yes, unless someone is a Mavs fan, they would have no idea that we consistently play 10-12 each game.

Here was the problem your first comment said 13-14 which as was pointed out is impossible because 13 is the max. You compounded it by adding a bunch of box scores where only 13 were listed and I am not sure any of those played 13.  Had you started with the 10-12 comment all would have been fine.

Yes, I get this, but you also have to look at my comment that we have a rotation of 13-14 players for each game.  If you look at last night's game, Salah Mejri did not play, but he will get plenty of action.  Carlisle is a bit odd, in that he uses 13-14 players fairly consistently throughout the season, with the last 2-3 guys playing in 1/2 to 2/3 of the games.  He would consider that part of his rotation, regardless of only 13 being allowed to 'dress.'  He doesn't view it as only having a rotation of 8 or 9 guys as JD24 was trying to define a rotation, but instead matches his team to whomever he is playing.  Carlisle is a huge data analytics guy. 

It escalated when JD24 tried to be like some on here, where grammar or spelling is corrected, but in this case, he was the sports verbiage police.  My comment about most not knowing how the Mavs operate was a sincere comment, meant without any negativity, and he took it to a place that it didn't need to go. 

Yes, we are bad, but I believe that we will be fighting for the 7th or 8th playoff spot by year-end. 

[FieldGoodie05]

Just want to point out that with 2:00 minutes left in the first quarter, we have already played 10 guys.  Don't be butt hurt, big guy.  Rowdy with his first career NBA 3 already, on his second try of the same possession.

Also, yes, unless someone is a Mavs fan, they would have no idea that we consistently play 10-12 each game.

Here was the problem your first comment said 13-14 which as was pointed out is impossible because 13 is the max. You compounded it by adding a bunch of box scores where only 13 were listed and I am not sure any of those played 13.  Had you started with the 10-12 comment all would have been fine.

Yes, I get this, but you also have to look at my comment that we have a rotation of 13-14 players for each game.  If you look at last night's game, Salah Mejri did not play, but he will get plenty of action.  Carlisle is a bit odd, in that he uses 13-14 players fairly consistently throughout the season, with the last 2-3 guys playing in 1/2 to 2/3 of the games.  He would consider that part of his rotation, regardless of only 13 being allowed to 'dress.'  He doesn't view it as only having a rotation of 8 or 9 guys as JD24 was trying to define a rotation, but instead matches his team to whomever he is playing.  Carlisle is a huge data analytics guy. 

It escalated when JD24 tried to be like some on here, where grammar or spelling is corrected, but in this case, he was the sports verbiage police.  My comment about most not knowing how the Mavs operate was a sincere comment, meant without any negativity, and he took it to a place that it didn't need to go. 

Yes, we are bad, but I believe that we will be fighting for the 7th or 8th playoff spot by year-end.

JD24 was brash and rude on that subject.  It would have gotten me defensive as well, in fact it caused me to interject unnecessarily too.  That type of attitude adds no value to a forum that genuinely is here to sound off ideas and contribute thoughts.  I think he is a good contributor generally in the football thread, so I am not sure what got him miffed at that time.

I'd suggest that we move on because your points are well taken.  The Mavs are going to give their players excellent chances during regular season games to earn a bigger role.  And I'm glad to hear a Mavs fan inform us as to their MO.  Previously I had thought that Peters was going to get a real shot at minutes with Phoenix because they too were pretty underwhelming heading into the season.  I suppose what we are missing is the practices in where players like AP might have been less than dominant.  It's likely that AP lost his chances during game simulation / practices, because he didn't really seem to get strong enough minutes to be a "1-and-done" in the NBA as he was this go-round.

[JD24]

JD24 was brash and rude on that subject.  It would have gotten me defensive as well, in fact it caused me to interject unnecessarily too.  That type of attitude adds no value to a forum that genuinely is here to sound off ideas and contribute thoughts.  I think he is a good contributor generally in the football thread, so I am not sure what got him miffed at that time. 

JD24 was as dismissive to the poster as the poster was to the rest of the forum. He or she still does not get this.

[valpotx]

Ignoring your comments from now on...moving on.

Mavs beat T-wolves, with Rowdy only playing early first quarter minutes again (4 minutes), but 1/3 for 3 points again.  It seems like Carlisle is testing him early to see if he has a hot hand.  If he doesn't, he sits.  I will be interested to see if he hits 2 of 3 early, how it affects his playing time.

[nkvu]

Ignoring your comments from now on...moving on.

Mavs beat T-wolves, with Rowdy only playing early first quarter minutes again (4 minutes), but 1/3 for 3 points again.  It seems like Carlisle is testing him early to see if he has a hot hand.  If he doesn't, he sits.  I will be interested to see if he hits 2 of 3 early, how it affects his playing time.

I wonder if Rowdy isn't like Alec in that they both play better the more minutes they play e.g. once Alec got significant minutes in his last game for the Suns he put up 30+. I seem to recall that both seemed to like to let the game come to them, playing better later in games than in their first minutes. If so that's gonna make it hard to impress enough early to get the minutes that he needs to show what he can do. Lot of pressure knowing if you don't hit your first two shots you'll be on the bench.

[bbtds]

I started to go through and count all the words spelled incorrectly in this thread but then thought maybe that wouldn't be appreciated...........