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FieldGoodie05

Quote from: vu72 on January 07, 2020, 01:26:49 PM
Quote from: wh on January 07, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
Mileek McMillian - Fouls/40 min. played

2017-18  7.5
2018-19  8.3
2019-20  8.0 (8.7 away games)

Rest of the roster:
Krikke 4.2
Kiser 3.8
Gordon 3.4
Robinson 3.2
Sackey 3.1
Freeman-Liberty 2.9
Clay 2.4

Observations:
- This is the worst individual player deficiency/dysfunction I have ever seen or heard of in Division I college basketball.
- After 75 games over 2 1/2 seasons with absolutely no improvement, Mileek's inability to stop fouling is not a problem that can be solved.  It can only be managed.
- Consider all the close games that we have lost where Mileek was on the bench in crunch time because he fouled out, or played fewer minutes than he should have thereby contributing less than he could have, or put the opposition in the bonus/double bonus sooner than they should have, or forced a decision to play inexperienced rookie backups against seasoned veterans.  How many easy baskets has he given up trying to defend once he is in foul trouble?  Etc., etc.
- Someone failed Mileek miserably a long time ago when they didn't teach him how to defend without fouling, so he brought his terrible habits with him to college.
- This coaching staff has failed him miserably for the past 2 1/2 years and counting.  I can't believe that situation could not have been remedied by any respectable "big man's coach," which apparently doesn't exist at Valpo.  Instead, the coaching staff continues to reward and placate this total nonsensical situation by starting him and allowing him to rack up foul after foul, something that probably began in middle school and hasn't changed since.  Absolutely, the wrong message.
- What does the team get in return?  An occasional 3 point basket made at a 20% clip.
- So there you have it.  An upper classman whose undoubtedly has the highest fouling rate/40 in college basketball, which hasn't improved in 3 years, combined with his worst shooting performance in 3 years, starting for a Missouri Valley Conference basketball program that hopes to contend for a conference championship.  End of story.




Forgive me.  I wasn't a math major.  I'm trying to understand "8.0 fouls per 40 minutes played".  Mileek has played 242 minutes and has 47 fouls. I'm not sure it is a good measurement but if it is, 242/ 40 = 6.05 40 minute periods.  47/6.05 = 7.77.  Counting the Canadian trip, he has fouled out of 5 games out of 20 games.

Statistics in a void can produce what you want from them.  As an example, Let's look at points per minute played:  Mileek: 1.95   JFL: 0.65    Ben:  0.40   Sounds like Mileek is a star!!

Seriously, Mileek, like him or not, doesn't have a replacement at this time.  Nobody is as physical and can go up against guys like the big guy tonight.  Will he foul?  You bet, but is it better to allow a bunny or make a guy shoot FTs?  It just is more complicated than just one statistic.

So still very nearly double the next Valpo teammate in fouls/40-min?

wh

The difference between 8.0 fouls/40 and 7.8 fouls/40 is statistically meaningless. They are equally appalling.

Just Sayin

#602
Mileek draws 4.4 fouls per 40 minutes(national rank 493 out of 2,226 players), his block percentage (4.5) is nationally ranked at 201 out of 2,226 players eligible for national rank.

Other rankings for Mileek within the conference for the season include:

13th Free throw%, best on the team at 75%

16th 2pt%, best on the team at 55.9%

29th for steal% at 1.61

31st for Assist Rate 12.3

16th for Offensive Rebound%, second best on team at 6.8

4th for Offensive Rating when at least 28% of possessions used at 93.0, behind only Javon.

10 for Offensive Rating when at least 24% of possession used, behind only Javon.

26th for Offensive Rating when at least 20% of possessions used, behind only Javon.

PlumStreetBum

Warning: :deadhorse:

Guys, it's spelled M I L E E K   M C M I L L A N

It's been 2.5 seasons and it's on the back of his danged jersey. (Granted when he's on the bench with 4 fouls you can't see the back of his jersey...)

Also, there's no A in K I S E R

/ :deadhorse:

FieldGoodie05

Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 07, 2020, 05:43:30 PM
Warning: :deadhorse:

Guys, it's spelled M I L E E K   M C M I L L A N

It's been 2.5 seasons and it's on the back of his danged jersey. (Granted when he's on the bench with 4 fouls you can't see the back of his jersey...)

Also, there's no A in K I S E R

/ :deadhorse:

How do you feel now, better?

bbtds

Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 07, 2020, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 07, 2020, 05:43:30 PM
Warning: :deadhorse:

Guys, it's spelled M I L E E K   M C M I L L A N

It's been 2.5 seasons and it's on the back of his danged jersey. (Granted when he's on the bench with 4 fouls you can't see the back of his jersey...)

Also, there's no A in K I S E R

/ :deadhorse:

How do you feel now, better?

I do.

PlumStreetBum

Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 07, 2020, 06:32:03 PM
How do you feel now, better?

I did... Until midway through tonight's game  :'(

justducky

After Carbondale lets talk about fresh starts and new ideas. As much as I love the hustle of both Sackey and Morgan, their play is not winning us games. There are also drawbacks when Javon has to play the point.   

So  ???  :-[.  Maybe Lorange can help but he has yet to prove he can handle MVC pressure. That then leaves Kiser, Gordon, Clay and Robinson. Situationally I could make a case for all of them to play some point minutes but lets focus particularly on Donovan (a high school guard with 3 more years to hone his point skills) and Nick who played a little backup point at St Joes. These two could provide an EVN point -forward look that might increase the value of the Fazekas return. I'm thinking 5 guard offense with shooting and dribble skills at every position. I'm not sure this would be an instant success but it might not increase our turnovers by much while increasing our 2 point shooting percentage?

I'm floating this just so you can sink it so fire away.

bbtds

#608
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2020, 01:16:04 PM
After Carbondale



lets talk about fresh starts and new ideas.



As much as I love the hustle of both Sackey and Morgan,



their play is not winning us games. There are also drawbacks



when Javon





has to play the point. 



???  :-[.  Maybe Lorange



can help but he has yet to prove he can handle MVC



pressure



. That then leaves Kiser,



Gordon,



Clay



and Robinson



. Situationally I could make a case for all of them to play some point minutes but lets focus particularly on Donovan



(a high school guard with 3 more years to hone his point skills) and Nick



who played a little backup point at St Joes. These two could provide an EVN



point -forward look that might increase the value of the Fazekas



return. I'm thinking 5



guard offense with shooting and dribble skills at every position. I'm not sure this would be an instant success but it might not increase our turnovers



by much while increasing our 2 point



shooting percentage

?

I'm floating



this just so you can sink it



so fire



away.



I'm trying to picture what you are trying to say but I'm having a tough time.





justducky

Wow! I'm impressed but that had to be a time consuming exercise. You need to get a life!  ;)

bbtds

#610
Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2020, 07:50:00 PM
Wow! I'm impressed but that had to be a time consuming exercise. You need to get a life!  ;)

About 5 minutes.

I also admit that a Premier League board that I'm a member of has a thread that you can only use pics to express yourself so I've had plenty of practice.

VALPO LI

Quote from: justducky on January 08, 2020, 07:50:00 PM
Wow! I'm impressed but that had to be a time consuming exercise. You need to get a life!  ;)
I went from  :o  >:(  ???  ;D reading these last few pages of posts and that one brought me to  ;D
This board needs to laugh  :thumbsup:
That did it!
Shine on Vu

wh

Here we are 10 full weeks into the season and 2 full weeks into the conference season, and we have  played 4 of 15 D-1 games at the ARC (4 of 19 including Canada).

This is what scheduling incompetence looks like.

wh

Quote from: wh on January 10, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Here we are 10 full weeks into the season and 2 full weeks into the conference season, and we have  played 4 of 15 D-1 games at the ARC (4 of 19 including Canada).

This is what scheduling incompetence looks like.

Let me put this in context - No. of home games played-to-date by MVC teams, Horizon League teams and Belmont and Murray State:

8 Bradley, UIC
7 Drake, N. Iowa, Loyola, Missouri St., SIU, Illinois State, Evansville, Wright State
6 YSU, CSU, NKU, Milwaukee, Detroit, Murray State, Belmont
5 Green Bay, Oakland
4 Valpo, Indiana State, IUPUI

So, 19 of 22 Mid Major competitor programs in the Midwest have found a way to schedule more home games than our dear old Crusaders. Obviously, the old stand-by "no one wants to come to the ARC for fear of getting beat" excuse no longer applies, if it ever did.  And, if it ever did, why wouldn't the same logic hold true for other winning programs on this list?  Then, it was "it's hard to get good mids to come to the ARC."  Apparently, its only hard for us.  Then, MLB said "there's actually an advantage to our NET to schedule lower level mids." So, why didn't we? Instead, we paid 2 non-competitive non D-1's big paydays to come to the ARC - 1 for an exhibition and 1 for a "real" game, if you want to call it that.  Why didn't we pay low level mids to come in here instead?

Our scheduling has been so inept for so long, it's become an accepted way of life.  EVERYONE schedules better than Valpo does - everyone!  Whoever has their fingerprints on this complete cluster fxxk needs to be thrown out on the street and get someone in here who knows what they're doing.  Next year's goal should be 8 by this point, with anything less than 7 considered unacceptable.  This fiasco is totally unfair to the players and totally unfair to the fans.         

Valpo2013

How can anyone argue with these facts?
Hard to want to go to a game when we don't bring in exciting games
My wife and I went to the Loyola game figuring it's the only one that will have some excitement
It's unfortunate
We really enjoyed going in the past... although with a 2 year old it's tough as well as driving over from Naperville

VUGrad1314

#615
Wh,

While I agree with your point on principle it's not like these schools are getting high quality home games for the most part. Here's the non conference home slates for these schools Nets in Parenthesis I assigned a value of 354 one less than the worst D1 program for any Non D1 In the second table Non D1s will be omitted for a more accurate Division 1 NET avg since Non D1 games don't count anyway but this will also lower the number of home games for each team. Neutral site games have been omitted as have conference games as the schools have no control over who they play or when those dates fall as they are set by the conference and are guaranteed parts of the schedule anyway. At issue is Valpo's NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULING anyway which is the part that they have greater control over :

All numbers come from here specifically using numbers from the HL MVC and OVC (Murray and Belmont) Just click on the conferences and the teams if you want to see their schedules Pay attention to WHERE the game is played because I'm looking at Non-Conference HOME GAMES primarily:

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2020/conferencenet

Here goes:

8:
Bradley: IUPUI(289) UIC (271)  Norfolk State (286) Radford (146) NC A&T (283)  Non D1 (354) Ga Southern (177) Toledo (130) AVG: NET AVG: 242

7:
UIC: Non-D1 (354) Ball State (119) Robert Morris (248) Mercer (273) Canisius (222) Purdue-Fort Wayne (260)  UC-Irvine (120) NET AVG: 228.1[/size][/font]

Wright State: Non D1 (354) Kent St (82) Non D1 (354) WKU (136) ISUb (88) Southern (336) MVSU (353)  AVG: Net AVG: 243.3

Drake: Kennesaw St (346) UMKC (270) Non D1 (354) Lehigh (281) Milwaukee (256) SEMO (333) Non D1 (354) Net AVG: 313.4

UNI: Old Dominion (155) CS-Bakersfield (263) No. Colorado (110) Tennessee Martin (305) Non-D1 (354) Non D1 (354) Marshall (183) Net AVG: 246.3

Loyola: UC-Davis (238) Coppin St (292) St Joseph's (223) IUPUI (289) Non D1 (354) Norfolk St (286) Davidson (107) Net Avg 255.6

ISUr: Belmont (113) UALR (163) UCF (106) Non D1 (354) Morehead St (287) NKU (179) UIC (271) Net Avg 210.4 

6:
Missouri St.: UALR (163) Alabama St (345)  Cleveland St (299)  Murray St (170) MVSU (353) Arkansas St (211) Net Avg 256.8[/size][/font]

SIU: Non D1 (354) San Francisco (103) NC Central (306) Norfolk St (286) Hampton (328) SEMO (333) Net AVG 285 [/size][/font]

Evansville: Ball St (119) Non D1 (354) SMU (58) WIU (317) Miami (OH) (206) Murray St (170) Net Avg 204

YSU: Non D1 (354) NC Central (306) Non D1 (354) Robert Morris (248) SEMO (333) Binghamton (325) Net Avg: 320 (W Virginia (11) Neutral Site game played in Youngstown but not at Penguins usual home venue) It's semantics yes and if I counted it Their average is still 275.9

Milwaukee: Non D1 (354) W Michigan (227) Non D1 (354) UMKC (270) North Dakota (202) E Illinois (234) Net Avg: 273.5

Murray State: Southern (336) Non D1 (354) SIU (201) Mid Tenn (315) Kennesaw St (346) Non D1 (354)  Net Avg 317.7

5:
CSU: Non D1 (354)  FIU (169) Robert Morris (248) Toledo (130) DePaul (73) Net AVG: 194.8

NKU: Non D1 (354) Coppin St (292) Non D1 (354)  Texas Southern (272) E Kentucky (322) Net Avg 318.8

Green Bay: Non D1 (354) CS-Northridge (255) Colgate(131) Evansville(231) Non-D1 (354) *Green Bay's schedule needed to be made an exception because only one non conference home game (Evansville) was actually played in their usual home the Resch Center Everything else was played in the Kress Events Center which I assume is a smaller venue Net Avg 265

Belmont: Samford (264) High Point (344) Lipscomb (276) Non D1 (354) Kennesaw St (346) Net Avg. 316.8

4:
Detroit: E Michigan (219) Toledo (130) Northeastern (137) SIUE (340) Net Avg 206.5[/size][/font]

IUPUI: Non D1 (354) Evansville (231) Non D1 (354) Purdue Fort Wayne (260)Net Avg 299.75[/size][/font]

ISUb: Non D1 (354) ND State (159) Tennessee St (216) Chicago St (352) 270.25

Valpo: Toledo (130) North Dakota (202) Non D1 (354) C Michigan (200) Net Avg 221.5

3:

Oakland Non D1 (354) Hartford (288)  Fairfield(261) Net Avg 301 (Michigan St Neutral site game in DET would drop this to 228)

Conference Rankings (Home games only Neutral site not considered INCLUDES non-D1s :

HL:
CSU: 194.8
Detroit: 206.5
UIC: 228.1
Wright St 243.3
Green Bay: 265
Milwaukee: 273.5
IUPUI: 299.75
Oakland 301
NKU: 318.8
YSU: 320

HL Avg. 265.1

MVC:
Evansville: 204
ISUr: 210.4
Valpo 221.5
Bradley: 242
UNI:246.3
Loyola: 255.6
Missouri St 256.8
ISUb 270.25
SIU: 285
Drake: 313.4

MVC Avg. 250.5

Belmont: 316.8

Murray State: 317.7 (They were hurt badly by Middle Tennessee being uncharacteristically terrible this year)

Conclusion: When non-D1s are factored in the HL actually has some teams that schedule more ambitiously than MVC teams but the MVC schedules better in aggregate. This should hold true when Non-D1s are factored out which I will show in the next data set I will list each team with the number of home games and its net average for D1 home games Again neutral site games even in the same town (except for GB because they would only have one data point otherwise) are omitted. Valpo for its part actually scheduled quite well in relation to its peers when it comes to home games as their slate so far holds up as the fourth toughest. As conference play gets deeper that may decline but perhaps not significantly. You can say you want more but the quality problem is conference-wide not Valpo-specific. We ALL need to step it up. :

Schedules without Non D1s (Home games NET Avg.) :

MVC:

Evansville (5 174)
Valpo (3 177.3) 
ISUr (6 186.5)
UNI: (5 203.2)
Bradley: ( 7 226)
Loyola (6 239.2) 
ISUb: ( 3 242.3) 
Missouri St. (6 256.8)
SIU (5 271.2)
Drake: (5 297.2)

Total D1 home games: 51 5.1 Per team

Net Avg of Home games: 227.37

HL:

Cleveland St ( 4 155)
Wright State (5 199)
Green Bay (3 205.7)
Detroit (4 206.5)
UIC (6 207)
Milwaukee (4 233.25)
IUPUI (2 245.5)
Oakland (2 274.5)
NKU (3 295.3)
YSU (4 303)

Total 37 D1 home games 3.7 per team
Net Avg of D1 Home games: 232.275

Murray+Belmont:

Murray: (4 299.5)
Belmont:  (4 307.5)

Conclusion: We all grouse about non-D1 games but when you take them away you will see that most teams are within 1 D1 home game of Valpo. A total of 11 teams have 2-4 D1 home games this year which is exactly half of the teams under consideration. Valpo has an average number of home games for the data set and actually grades out well above average in overall quality. They are scheduling very much like an MVC team when looking for opponents.  However of the teams that had 5+ home games only 2 of them (UIC and Wright State) were in the HL. it is worth noting however that BOTH SCHOOLS net AVG opponents were BELOW Valpo's and only Evansville and ISUr exceeded Valpo when Non-D1s were factored in. Without them, Valpo actually jumped ISUr in home schedule strength trailing only Evansville. When it comes to home games, Valpo is still scheduling more like an HL team. You can argue we need more home games but you can't argue against the quality of the home games unless you want to make that a conference wide issue which is fine. It is worth wondering why Evansville and ISUr were able to book Home and Home series with AAC teams and we have not done so in some time. Also it is worth noting that (I believe) Missouri State has a series with VCU that will have a home game for the Bears next year though that might be a one off and I might be mistaken.) I will have to do a deeper dive on MLB's theory of weaker teams higher NET but a cursory glance seems like that data is going to prove inconclusive. I will look at it in greater depth below using conference SOS rank based on home NET avg. and overall NET. This is not a perfect apples to apples comparison because I am comparing only home games to a number that encompasses all games played but it should give an idea as to whether MLB's claim holds water. I will use only D1 home games for this data set:

NET Rankings MVC (Conference Net Avg. rank for D1 Home games ONLY listed after NET number As well as conference rank in D1 home games):


1. UNI 48 4 T3


2. ISUb 88 7 T4


3. Bradley 90 5 1 T3


4. Loyola 126 6 T2


5. Missouri St 132 8 T2


6. Drake 141 10 T3


7. Valpo 166 2 T4


8. SIU 201 9 T3


9. ISUr 208 3 T2


10. Evansville 231 1 T3


HL:


1. Wright State 115 2 2


2. NKU 179 9 T3


3. Youngstown St 218 10 T3


4. Green Bay 228 3 T3


5.  Oakland 233 8 T4


6. Milwaukee 256 6 T3


7. UIC 271 5 1


8. IUPUI 289 7 T4


9.  Cleveland St 299 1


10. Detroit 308 4 T3


Clearly there is no correlation between strength or number of home games and NET performance. You have to win and win convincingly but strength of opponents matters a lot as well.But as shown by UNI especially you have to win and perform well against quality teams too. That West Virginia game would have meant so much and looked so good on that resume. But I digress.  Look at Wright State. They're off to a blistering start undefeated in conference and 15-3 but because they lack quality wins (their two top 100 opponents Kent St and ISUb are two of their three losses and all three of their losses fall within their top 5 strongest opponents this year) so they are strongly lacking in overall resume. In fact they still rank two spots behind Belmont in a down year (113 vs 115). Despite this, I have no idea why more MVC teams didn't call them for games. It would have helped both parties.


I will say that scheduling does indeed appear to be quite challenging under the NET. Too many cupcakes and your metrics suffer too many losses and your metrics also suffer. UNI's loss to ISUr is an illustration of this. Their metrics tanked hard after just that one game. It is clear that this system is very hard and punishing on mids perhaps moreso than RPI. You have to walk the tight rope without much room for error. I would say that the NET is probably more skewed towards big conferences than RPI was which means there is less manipulation needed by the selection committee. Finding the balance will be very hard for mids. I do think part of the solution is to have mids band together and create and accept more series against each other in like for like home and home pairings pairings but this also is hard to nail down in any exact way a year out. Getting rid of the non-D1s for any kind of D1 opponent (either a team you can beat for your metrics or an impressive win) is a good idea. If you need that non D1 for a home game consider trying to take on a crappy D1 opponent in your region to boost your metrics. Otherwise take another buy game and give yourself another shot at a quality win. The point is Non-D1s should be gone from all schedules especially in the MVC. This will help the conference from top to bottom. Even a Q2 or Q3 win which some consider meaningless still means more than just throwing away a game on a Non-D1.


There doesn't appear to be much correlation between number of home games and NET performance either. It's all a timing game trying to get the right game for the right team in the right year which is incredibly hard. For example a couple of teams got burned by St Joseph's having an absolutely terrible year. On paper that's a terrific game to take but it cost Bradley dearly because they are one of the Hawks 3 wins so far (one of the others being UCONN LOL) and as mentioned before Murray State got burned by Middle Tennessee. UNI fans are lamenting how much and how quickly Marshall fell off and I'm sure they expected better out of Old Dominion too. In theory those are great series. By contrast for Valpo Central Michigan and North Dakota have looked like great pickups for our schedule so we lucked out there. As I said it's all about balance and timing and it's impossible to get it fully right.


There is something to be said for scheduling for how you think you'll do relative to your peers in conference as it appears that winning is a very important factor in overall metrics. As with RPI though you can't go the Barry Hinson or St Mary's (until recently) route and have a charmin soft SOS and expect any help when it comes to getting an at large. If that's your goal you have to pass some tough tests and earn it just the same. The NET is new complex and poorly understood. It will take a long time before we mids figure it out if we ever do. However, I rate MLB's theory of get a bunch of low majors at home and drub them as inconclusive in its truth and an incomplete understanding of how to navigate the NET. If he takes this strategy in his schedules going forward I fear that he will be focusing far too much on just one (important but not THE most important) aspect of the NET. You need plenty of opportunities for quality wins too and not just in your MTEs. We should consider more buy games in this environment and also we should eliminate non D1s which are an unnecessary waste of an opportunity for a resume enhancement. Even a small bump can make a big difference because as mids we're going to need all the help we can get in this system. I can tell.


I chose to focus solely on home games because that is the argument of this thread however the MVC is a great example of a league that could have it so much better if our teams had just notched a few more key wins and avoided a couple of land mines.


What would our metrics look like if we had finished against Arkansas and Cincinnati?


What if Evansville had beaten SMU and not gone through that swoon where they lost to two bad teams after that?


What if Missouri State had beaten Miami and Xavier and not lost to Little Rock?


What if Loyola had beaten Davidson and Colorado State and not lost to Coppin State?


What if Illinois State had beaten UCF and Cincinnati?


What if UNI had beaten West Virginia and Wichita State (I think they would have if they had played)?  How much better would our conference look right now?


Also please understand that this data is EXTREMELY INCOMPLETE. Some of these conclusions may (and probably will) change slightly or significantly as we get deeper into conference play and toward the end of the season. This would be an interesting topic to revisit after selection Sunday (when we hopefully have multiple bids) and see if these conclusions held or how well they held with time and more data. As always with any analytical study more study and investigation are needed to reach definitive conclusions but I think this serves as a solid jumping off point at relatively the halfway point of the year. The main takeaway is this:


There is no correlation between Home games and NET


There is no correlation between SOS and NET unless you win (though taking on the challenge does appear to keep your metrics higher)


Buying a bunch of low majors and drubbing them is not the path to an at large but it is a strategy that can be effective in the right proportion when used in conjunction with other strategies in the right proportion.


There is no silver bullet strategy to cracking the NET and that is by design. it is going to take a variety of approaches blended skillfully and properly for mids to succeed.


While you can argue that Valpo doesn't schedule enough home games They are doing fine schedule wise relative to their peers. "Incompetent" is probably too strong a word to use, although there has been some luck involved in keeping the home strength high.


If we as a conference want to do better we need to keep recruiting well and make scheduling a top priority like it was in the mid 2000s when the MVC cracked the RPI code.


That said scheduling is indeed HARD. Finding the right games for the right teams in the right years is HARD and NOBODY gets it 100% right.


The difficulties can be eased--but not eliminated--if we as mids work together to ensure the teams we think will be our best get the support they need but this will require serious concerted collaboration across multiple conferences.

And even with the best laid plans and the best of intentions teams can still get burned (See St Joseph's Old Dominion Marshall and Middle Tennessee State as examples. Most would have cheered these games as good gets for any schedule but these teams have underachieved or are downright awful. By the same token other teams (North Dakota Central Michigan) have surprised somewhat.


Non-D1s need to be eliminated by any means necessary by any conference with any kind of multibid ambition. We don't have the luxury of making up those wasted opportunities in conference. By taking a non-D1 all you're doing is making all your other games that much more critical and voluntarily cutting your own throat by reducing your margin for error if you're pursuing an at large. UNI is an OUTLIER IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCCEEDED SO FAR IN THEIR OPPORTUNITIES. DO NOT ASSUME THAT YOU CAN TAKE 2 NON D1S LIKE UNI DID AND SUCCEED. You have to be letter perfect in that scenario. You have to be nearly perfect as it is. Why make it harder on yourself for no discernible gain?

Given the difficulty HL teams seem to have getting home games maybe more games with MVC teams could be mutually beneficial? The HL needs to get better though unless they just want most of their teams to get bought by an MVC team to replace our Non-D1(s). But both conferences need to work more with their peer conferences if they want to be more successful when it comes to their metrics.


















FWalum

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:15:41 AMWhile I agree with your point on principle it's not like these schools are getting high quality home games for the most part. Here's the non conference home slates for these schools Nets in Parenthesis I assigned a value of 354 one less than the worst D1 program for any Non D1 In the second table Non D1s will be omitted for a more accurate Division 1 NET avg since Non D1 games don't count anyway but this will also lower the number of home games for each team. Neutral site games have been omitted as have conference games as the schools have no control over who they play or when those dates fall as they are set by the conference and are guaranteed parts of the schedule anyway. At issue is Valpo's NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULING anyway which is the part that they have greater control over :

Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!
My current favorite podcast: The Glenn Loury Show https://bloggingheads.tv/programs/glenn-show

justducky

Good information. Great work!  :thumbsup:

Try not to burn yourself out! There are too few of us loyal posters to easily justify those kinds of efforts.

On the other hand I bet bbtds could have done it in 5 minutes.  :)

bbtds

Quote from: justducky on January 11, 2020, 09:21:11 AM
Good information. Great work!  :thumbsup:

Try not to burn yourself out! There are too few of us loyal posters to easily justify those kinds of efforts.

On the other hand I bet bbtds could have done it in 5 minutes.  :)

Oh no way. Analysis is not my game. Searching the internet for locations, pics and info on college basketball and Valpo/Indiana/Midwest/Chicago related stuff is where I try to shine. I do appreciate someone who puts a lot of time and effort into a personal passion and then reveals it to everyone here.

bbtds

Quote from: FWalum on January 11, 2020, 08:36:46 AM

Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!

Why do people need to judge so harshly what others do with their own time?

NotBryceDrew

With some of the comments made by Labarbera and Gore during interviews this fall and speaking with a person in the program we should see an effort for 5-6 non conference home games a year.

That being said they will not be quality.

The days of a Top A10 type team coming to the ARC on home and home are over until we earn it.

VUGrad1314

Quote from: FWalum on January 11, 2020, 08:36:46 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:15:41 AMWhile I agree with your point on principle it's not like these schools are getting high quality home games for the most part. Here's the non conference home slates for these schools Nets in Parenthesis I assigned a value of 354 one less than the worst D1 program for any Non D1 In the second table Non D1s will be omitted for a more accurate Division 1 NET avg since Non D1 games don't count anyway but this will also lower the number of home games for each team. Neutral site games have been omitted as have conference games as the schools have no control over who they play or when those dates fall as they are set by the conference and are guaranteed parts of the schedule anyway. At issue is Valpo's NON-CONFERENCE SCHEDULING anyway which is the part that they have greater control over :
Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!



This one took a long time as a lot of my deep numerical dives often do because there's a lot of data to compile and check and recheck for accuracy. I spent way more time on this post than I thought I would or even wanted to but by the time I was about halfway through I was already a couple hours at least into it and I was committed so I had to finish. I did end up staying up very late and I just woke up because of that. I'm just glad so many of you enjoyed reading that post and got something out of it. That makes the effort well worth it!  :)

FWalum

Quote from: bbtds on January 11, 2020, 09:57:03 AM
Quote from: FWalum on January 11, 2020, 08:36:46 AM

Wow, very interesting analysis, but you are staying up either way too late or getting up very early!

Why do people need to judge so harshly what others do with their own time?

I hope that was supposed to be funny.
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NET ranking for our OOC opponents

128  Toledo - H
48  Saint Louis - T
339  Southern Illinois - Edwardsville SIUE - T
205  North Dakota - H
279  Grand Canyon - Paradise Jam USVI
99  Nevada - Paradise Jam USVI
64  Cincinnati  - Paradise Jam USVI
217  Eastern Michigan - T
191  Central Michigan - H
147  Charlotte - T
346  High Point - T
  24  Arkansas - N (North Little Rock)

average:  172.08


Last Year's OOC ... THIS year's NET

119  Western Kentucky - N
207  Monmouth - N
105  Wake Forest - N
339  Southern Illinois - Edwardsville - H - Overtime
10  West Virginia - T
157  UNLV - T
200  UC Riverside - H
346  High Point - H
244  George Washington - T
117  Ball State - H
118  Texas A&M - T

Average:  178.36


Two Years ago... today's NET

339  Southern Illinois - Edwardsville - T
324  Southeastern Louisiana State - H
278  Samford - H
91  Kent State - N
333  North Carolina - Wilmington - N
78  Utah State - H (MVC-MWC Challenge)
34  Purdue  - T
117  Ball State - T
138  Northwestern - T (Allstate Arena)
75  Santa Clara - T
200  UC Riverside - T

Average  182.45

VUGrad1314

Steady improvement. Let's hope it continues!