Non-Conference games 2019-2020 season

[VUBBFan]

That is a good get if true. SDSU is a very solid program.

I have to agree that would be a good entertaining home game.  Jackrabbits went 24-9 last year and got invited to the NIT.

No Valpo on SDSU's schedule.

Disappointing we didn't get a game, after they teased their schedule they were going to play a MVC team in Indiana. Ended up not scheduling any MVC team.

[wh]

Man, I'm nervous about how bad this home schedule is gonna be now. Less than 3 months out and not a peep..

With this new premise recently promulgated by Mark LaBarbara that playing lousy low majors is better for your NET, I've mentally prepared myself for yet another crap home schedule. I'm not familiar enough yet with the inner workings of the NET, but I seriously doubt it really works that way. Im going to need more evidence to become a believer than one mid major, one year that apparently benefited from a crap home schedule. That said, if it's proven to be true, we will probably have less work to do to dumb down our OOC home schedule than any other mid major program in the country.

[IrishDawg]

Man, I'm nervous about how bad this home schedule is gonna be now. Less than 3 months out and not a peep..

With this new premise recently promulgated by Mark LaBarbara that playing lousy low majors is better for your NET, I've mentally prepared myself for yet another crap home schedule. I'm not familiar enough yet with the inner workings of the NET, but I seriously doubt it really works that way. Im going to need more evidence to become a believer than one mid major, one year that apparently benefited from a crap home schedule. That said, if it's proven to be true, we will probably have less work to do to dumb down our OOC home schedule than any other mid major program in the country.

While margin of victory is capped at 10 points, so it doesn't pay completely to tank the strength of schedule, your margin of efficiency rating (which doesn't factor in strength of schedule) isn't capped, so you can schedule junk teams to artificially inflate that portion of the NET rating. So, if you can't bump up your SOS, that's the best way to boost your rating.

[NativeCheesehead]

However it's calculated I'm sure it benefits the major conference schools. Otherwise it would never have been put into place.

[valpo64]

FYI     SDSU will play at Indiana U this year.

[crusadermoe]

mIGHT be a dumb question

Does the MVC wait for ALL teams to set their non-con basketball schedules to finalize before they set and release the MVC dates?

[vu84v2]

Man, I'm nervous about how bad this home schedule is gonna be now. Less than 3 months out and not a peep..

With this new premise recently promulgated by Mark LaBarbara that playing lousy low majors is better for your NET, I've mentally prepared myself for yet another crap home schedule. I'm not familiar enough yet with the inner workings of the NET, but I seriously doubt it really works that way. Im going to need more evidence to become a believer than one mid major, one year that apparently benefited from a crap home schedule. That said, if it's proven to be true, we will probably have less work to do to dumb down our OOC home schedule than any other mid major program in the country.

While margin of victory is capped at 10 points, so it doesn't pay completely to tank the strength of schedule, your margin of efficiency rating (which doesn't factor in strength of schedule) isn't capped, so you can schedule junk teams to artificially inflate that portion of the NET rating. So, if you can't bump up your SOS, that's the best way to boost your rating.

Without getting into the details of NET, any comment that states that playing lower D1 teams helps your NET is bogus. My understanding is that NET rewards beating Quadrant 1 and Quadrant 2 teams (out of four Quadrants) and includes a boost when your games are on the road. Playing weaker (i.e. low mid major teams at home) does nothing to help you in NET rankings.

My guess for why they have not yet released the non-conference schedule is that they are hoping that a minor miracle happens and a decent opponent needs to fill a hole at the last minute. While this is probably the right thing to do if the current schedule is really awful, it has little chance of creating improvement since more and more teams are releasing their non-conference schedule. My guess is that the non-conference home schedule will be Toledo, some truly abysmal program like Chicago State or UMKC, and two or three non-D1 games...and if that is the case it is clearly a failure on the part of the basketball program.

[VUBBFan]

Man, I'm nervous about how bad this home schedule is gonna be now. Less than 3 months out and not a peep..

I'm getting anxious for the schedule too. I have a feeling they will be publishing it this coming week.


Looking at the timeline from last year: VU announced non-conference schedule on Aug 22 (so it is not that much later than right now). The MVC released the conference schedule the first week of September. VU sent out season ticket registrations Sept 6th. So the time is close to finding out what we got this year.

[IrishDawg]

Man, I'm nervous about how bad this home schedule is gonna be now. Less than 3 months out and not a peep..

With this new premise recently promulgated by Mark LaBarbara that playing lousy low majors is better for your NET, I've mentally prepared myself for yet another crap home schedule. I'm not familiar enough yet with the inner workings of the NET, but I seriously doubt it really works that way. Im going to need more evidence to become a believer than one mid major, one year that apparently benefited from a crap home schedule. That said, if it's proven to be true, we will probably have less work to do to dumb down our OOC home schedule than any other mid major program in the country.

While margin of victory is capped at 10 points, so it doesn't pay completely to tank the strength of schedule, your margin of efficiency rating (which doesn't factor in strength of schedule) isn't capped, so you can schedule junk teams to artificially inflate that portion of the NET rating. So, if you can't bump up your SOS, that's the best way to boost your rating.

Without getting into the details of NET, any comment that states that playing lower D1 teams helps your NET is bogus. My understanding is that NET rewards beating Quadrant 1 and Quadrant 2 teams (out of four Quadrants) and includes a boost when your games are on the road. Playing weaker (i.e. low mid major teams at home) does nothing to help you in NET rankings.

My guess for why they have not yet released the non-conference schedule is that they are hoping that a minor miracle happens and a decent opponent needs to fill a hole at the last minute. While this is probably the right thing to do if the current schedule is really awful, it has little chance of creating improvement since more and more teams are releasing their non-conference schedule. My guess is that the non-conference home schedule will be Toledo, some truly abysmal program like Chicago State or UMKC, and two or three non-D1 games...and if that is the case it is clearly a failure on the part of the basketball program.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/01/23/ncaa-net-rankings-rpi-ncaa-tournament-march-madness

[bbtds]

several years ago we had a home and away contract with Saint Louis.  I believe they were ranked when they visited us

oklahoma gets brownie points for spelling out Saint Louis University's name correctly. SAINT Louis U.

BTW, Saint Louis (the city) was just awarded an MLS expansion team and is building a soccer specific stadium on the west side of the Union Station former mall/shopping center. I'm not quite sure what is going to be done with Union Station itself.  So Chaifetz Arena (SLU), MLS Stadium, Enterprise Center (Blues) and Busch Stadium (Cardinals) will all be within a radius of 5 miles of each other.

[NativeCheesehead]

Union Station itself is being renovated into an aquarium.

[VUBBFan]

First exhibition game is against Cedarville Ohio October 19th

[vu72]

First exhibition game is against Cedarville Ohio October 19th

It sounds ridiculous but they also have an exhibition game with Ohio State.

They also have a kid from Valpo on their roster:  Conner TenHove

[valpo64]

Like feeding Christians to the lions but I guess those games will fund their basketball program.  Shame on  Ohio State as their game with Cedarville is ridiculous.

[VUBBFan]

Cedarville was the 2019 NCCA II champs and seem to be power in Div II. Still we should dominate them. I'd be worried if we don't.

Oct 19th is a very early date. I'd speculate this game was a desperation reach to fill in a home game after our recent scheduling debacle. May be completely off base but oh well. Still waiting anxiously for the rest of the schedule.

[NativeCheesehead]

Not sure we should be looking down on DII teams after the UIndy debacle.

[Pgmado]

Oct. 19 is an exhibition game, which Valparaiso always plays one, as well as typically a closed-door "secret scrimmage." The Cedarville game is some smart scheduling by Valpo. Decent team. Provides a "home" game for former Valparaiso High product Conner TenHove as well as Lowell's Nick Mantis. Mantis' brother is a junior prospect right now and a Valparaiso recruiting target. Bring Cedarville to the ARC, bring the Mantis family to the ARC. 

[EddieCabot]

Oct. 19 is an exhibition game, which Valparaiso always plays one, as well as typically a closed-door "secret scrimmage." The Cedarville game is some smart scheduling by Valpo. Decent team. Provides a "home" game for former Valparaiso High product Conner TenHove as well as Lowell's Nick Mantis. Mantis' brother is a junior prospect right now and a Valparaiso recruiting target. Bring Cedarville to the ARC, bring the Mantis family to the ARC.

Very smart.  The Valpo game wasn't on Cedarville's website yesterday, but appeared today!   

[VALPO LI]

It is almost 11pm CT and I have exhausted myself hitting the refresh button on the Valpo basketball homepage eagerly waiting for this seasons schedule.  So who is left for us to play? 134 teams have not released their non conference schedule yet.  Teams like Villanova, NC State, DePaul, VCU, Davidson and yes Baylor are keeping fans still in the dark....come on Scott it has been 16 years - I apologize side tracked for a moment. 
Home games who is really left? Regional schools from the MAC (8 total), PFW along with 5 other Summit schools plus 4 Horizon league schools (Detroit, IUPUI, NKU, and UIC) could all be in the mix to play at Valpo.
We all wish and some pray for good schools to play at the ARC but what about the bottom of the list.  More realistic teams that would come here. Teams with a 300+ NET rating. There are 28 teams from 8 conferences that could potentially be playing at the ARC this season.  For me some of these games could be fun to watch Western Illinois, Eastern Illinois, Denver, Manhattan and St. Peter's (MAAC) - east coast thing! Others maybe not, we have recently played UC Riverside and SIUE and then there is 1 from the Windy City with a NET of 353 I should not mention.  Also 13 teams combind from the MEAC and SWAC are potential candidates to run on the hardwood at the ARC.
Frankly I would be entertained if we played a few of these schools @ Home over Non D1 teams.  Throw in a couple of regional teams at home, @ a potential buy game from a respected institution plus Toledo, High Point, Charlotte, Saint Louis, GCU and Nevada/Fordham and this could be an entertaining non conference schedule.

[VUGrad1314]

Wouldn't mind seeing some of our old HL rivals if we're looking for home games. MAC teams would be awesome too. I hope we take a few buy games to get some more cash as well especially if it's a P5 program we could conceivably beat.

[NotBryceDrew]

I believe the replacement games will be MAC and Summit teams. Should find out soon though.

[VALPO LI]

Wouldn't mind seeing some of our old HL rivals if we're looking for home games. MAC teams would be awesome too. I hope we take a few buy games to get some more cash as well especially if it's a P5 program we could conceivably beat.

Here are the P5 schools left that did not release their schedule yet.
ACC:
NC State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Big 10:
Minnesota
Big 12:
Baylor
SEC:
Arkansas
Pac 12:
Colorado
Oregon St.
AAC:
Memphis
SMU
South Florida
Big East:
DePaul
Villanova

[vu84v2]

There is virtually no way that any of these major non-conference teams are coming to Valpo. It would be reasonable if there were home opponents from the MAC (beyond Toledo) or other mid-tier conferences. My guess is that will not happen.

[govalpogo]

Wouldn't mind seeing some of our old HL rivals if we're looking for home games. MAC teams would be awesome too. I hope we take a few buy games to get some more cash as well especially if it's a P5 program we could conceivably beat.

Here are the P5 schools left that did not release their schedule yet.
ACC:
NC State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Big 10:
Minnesota
Big 12:
Baylor
SEC:
Arkansas
Pac 12:
Colorado
Oregon St.
AAC:
Memphis
SMU
South Florida
Big East:
DePaul
Villanova

I'll feed the completely off base, rumor mongering fire, but Mr. Happenin Hoops aluded to another high major buy-out game (road obviously) for Valpo when the SLU game was released.  A few days later, two of our beat reporters started following Arkansas hoops on twitter.  Coincidence? 

[Pgmado]

Wouldn't mind seeing some of our old HL rivals if we're looking for home games. MAC teams would be awesome too. I hope we take a few buy games to get some more cash as well especially if it's a P5 program we could conceivably beat.

Here are the P5 schools left that did not release their schedule yet.
ACC:
NC State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Big 10:
Minnesota
Big 12:
Baylor
SEC:
Arkansas
Pac 12:
Colorado
Oregon St.
AAC:
Memphis
SMU
South Florida
Big East:
DePaul
Villanova

I'll feed the completely off base, rumor mongering fire, but Mr. Happenin Hoops aluded to another high major buy-out game (road obviously) for Valpo when the SLU game was released.  A few days later, two of our beat reporters started following Arkansas hoops on twitter.  Coincidence? 

No.