2019 Football Non-Game Thread

[VULB#62]

Like last year, this is a bucket for miscellaneous football postings that don't necessarily have a traditional home (like spring ball, game threads, recruiting etc.)

I lurk around the PFL board infrequently and this thread, "Guess Who Spends The Most On Football?" caught my eye. I copied some posts for us to check out. Interesting that Valpo added over $210K to the budget in one year an went from #9 in 2016 to #6.  BUDawg's comment about Davidson and Stetson in 2016 says something as does daytonstrong's assesment of Dayton spending.  That is significant for us as Coach Fox came over to Valpo from Dayton. His comments put any complaints we have about our program into a perspective, no?

(2016) expenses-men's teams/football
Davidson $1,868,902
Stetson 1,838,277
San Diego 1,328,169
Jacksonville 1,303,640
Dayton 1,292,135
Marist 1,281,009
Morehead St. 1,031,156
Drake 1,028,182
Valparaiso 1,108,158
Butler 847,654
      source: ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

BUDawg:
WOW! Imagine if Butler spent like another quarter of a million...We could buy some more PFL co-titles instead of runner-up/middle of the pack finishes, LOL. But to have your two worst teams spend the most...OUCH!

(2017) Expenses/football
Stetson  $1,742,010
San Diego $1,654,049
Davidson  $1,636,720
Marist    $1,381,490
Jacksonville  $1,360,507
Valparaiso  $1,320,503
Dayton $1,196,630
Morehead State  $1,176,172
Drake  $1,054,139
Butler  $912,878

daytonstrong:
Thought for sure Dayton would be at the bottom - Catholic institution, run down Welcome Stadium facilities, recycled uniforms, recycled equipment and zero promotion from University administration. To top it off, the boys don't get any of the cool branded swag the other teams in the conference get (Riddell helmet wraps, Flyer branded backpacks, Nike gloves, etc.). It's clear Dayton is a "basketball" school and that's where the investment goes.

[vu72]

It's clear Dayton is a "basketball" school and that's where the investment goes.

The same could be said of Valpo, Davidson, Drake and Butler.

[JD24]

Like last year, this is a bucket for miscellaneous football postings that don't necessarily have a traditional home (like spring ball, game threads, recruiting etc.) I lurk around the PFL board infrequently and this thread, "Guess Who Spends The Most On Football?" caught my eye. I copied some posts for us to check out. Interesting that Valpo added over $210K to the budget in one year an went from #9 in 2016 to #6.  BUDawg's comment about Davidson and Stetson in 2016 says something as does daytonstrong's assesment of Dayton spending.  That is significant for us as Coach Fox came over to Valpo from Dayton. His comments put any complaints we have about our program into a perspective, no? (2016) expenses-men's teams/football Davidson $1,868,902 Stetson 1,838,277 San Diego 1,328,169 Jacksonville 1,303,640 Dayton 1,292,135 Marist 1,281,009 Morehead St. 1,031,156 Drake 1,028,182 Valparaiso 1,108,158 Butler 847,654 source: ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/ BUDawg: WOW! Imagine if Butler spent like another quarter of a million...We could buy some more PFL co-titles instead of runner-up/middle of the pack finishes, LOL. But to have your two worst teams spend the most...OUCH! (2017) Expenses/football Stetson  $1,742,010 San Diego $1,654,049 Davidson  $1,636,720 Marist    $1,381,490 Jacksonville  $1,360,507 Valparaiso  $1,320,503 Dayton $1,196,630 Morehead State  $1,176,172 Drake  $1,054,139 Butler  $912,878 daytonstrong: Thought for sure Dayton would be at the bottom - Catholic institution, run down Welcome Stadium facilities, recycled uniforms, recycled equipment and zero promotion from University administration. To top it off, the boys don't get any of the cool branded swag the other teams in the conference get (Riddell helmet wraps, Flyer branded backpacks, Nike gloves, etc.). It's clear Dayton is a "basketball" school and that's where the investment goes.

The stadium used by Stetson is a municipal stadium owned (I think) by the county. So they may have additional costs that the on-campus stadiums I think the rest of the league has.

[VULB#62]

A question brought up by Lurkingdog from Drake as well.

It's clear Dayton is a "basketball" school and that's where the investment goes.

The same could be said of Valpo, Davidson, Drake and Butler.

BB is certainly first at Davidson, and still a major budget for football. That, despite futility for years.

If we dumped an additional half mill into FB annually, do ya think we could buy a PFL chamionship?  I'm scratching my head trying to think where that kind of money would go given that things like a new grandstand and pressbox would be a capital project and not part of an annual budget. We already fly to most distant away games. We've already updated the weight facility and locker rooms. Maybe bump up the recruiting budget, but that wouldn't be that great a hit on the budget.

[JD24]

I'm curious as to where the extra half mil Davidson spends is going...and that's over most programs in the PFL. At one time Davidson had an alumnus who provided a plane to move the football team around. I don't know whether that is still in existence. Maybe there are financing costs to a facilities upgrade at some point?

[VULB#62]

I'm curious as to where the extra half mil Davidson spends is going...and that's over most programs in the PFL. At one time Davidson had an alumnus who provided a plane to move the football team around. I don't know whether that is still in existence. Maybe there are financing costs to a facilities upgrade at some point?

Me too 24. In our PFL world there js just so much you can spend money on.

[JD24]

I looked at the ope link provided by 62 and found it interesting that both Stetson and Davidson allocated for 1 Head Coach and 9 full time assistants while Valpo allocated for 1 Head Coach and 4 Full Time and 4 Part Time Assistants.

Whether this has changed the last couple of years, I'm not sure. These were the only programs I looked at. Stetson's game day expense is more than $300,000 over both Davidson and Valpo's which were similar. As I mentioned, maybe Stetson is paying to rent a facility while the others have their facility on campus.

[VULB#62]

Sounds about right. Our gain could account for a DC pay increase but certainly only in part — perhaps assistant increases and more money in the travel budget for recruiting.

[VU2014]

https://twitter.com/FBSchedules/status/1115732771027210243

[JD24]

Full schedule is in this thread:

https://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3399.0

[vu72]

Full schedule is in this thread:

https://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3399.0

Something isn't correct.  Valpo's Homecoming is Sept 28.  I don't think we are going for a soccer game!

[valpofb16]

Dayton is the only game non confirmed it will either be on 10/12 or 9/28. If 9/28 is homecoming then it appears Fox's first Homecoming game will be against his prior home.

Tad ironic

This will give Valpo a bye between @Drake and @San Diego. No complaints there

[JD24]

Hadn't noticed the open week of Sept 28th (at this point). That means either adding another bye or another game....to make 12.

[talksalot]

Dayton is the only game non confirmed it will either be on 10/12 or 9/28

Dayton's football schedule on line shows the Valpo game on 10/12... but they have no game scheduled for 9/28... so...

All of our homecoming advertising says 9/28 is our homecoming...but none of the details are included...

[JD24]

Dayton's football schedule has been "officially" announced and, no matter how you slice it, Valpo would have two bye's this season if another game is not scheduled. So maybe there's another game to be announced. That doesn't mean that Dayton can't change their schedule but it's also not like Valpo didn't know when Homecoming was.

[vu72]

Dayton's football schedule has been "officially" announced and, no matter how you slice it, Valpo would have two bye's this season if another game is not scheduled. So maybe there's another game to be announced. That doesn't mean that Dayton can't change their schedule but it's also not like Valpo didn't know when Homecoming was.

So now what?  If Valpo has to schedule the Little Sisters of the Poor they are going to look really stupid to the Alumni.

[JD24]

Some info on a couple of sites have Valpo playing Malone on Sept 28th. Malone has subsequently dropped the sport. So Valpo is likely looking for an opponent.

[VULB#62]

As a football alum I just got an email from Landon Fox summarizing his experience so far this year as the new HC, what he has instituted so far and his appraisal of where the program is at this point. He's saying all the right stuff. Sorry, unable to add the full text or a link.

[valpofb16]

VULB#62 I too received an email and came away very impressed with the following

1: It has been said here before but Alex Curtis being an S&C coach dedicated to football will be huge
2: The players still on the roster survived a condense 3 week winter season with 6am workouts 4/5 week days. Kudos to those who remain
3: Each recruit is assigned a "big brother" on the team, increasing family mentality hopefully reducing attrition
4: IDP (Individual Development Plans) for each player on the roster, HUGE
5: Study tables for anyone under a 3.0, career focused
6: Recruiting a 6 hour radius with California, Texas, And Florida being a focus (no drop off from previous staff)
7: 30! kids staying on campus in year one of Fox's tenure, and only looking for improved numbers (This would be improved from Carlson and early Cecchini)


Valpo Football is in good hands

[FWalum]

Saw coach Fox at graduation mingling with many of the student athletes.  He certainly looked engaged and at easy in his new environment. I know it is very early, but I think this could be a very good hire.

[usc4valpo]

I love the optimsm and progress - I also remember many folks on this board in in 2010 praising the hiring of Osteen. I hope this works.

[valpofb16]

I was not involved in Carlson hiring but if I may:

Fox is about family, linking together, hard work, and linking the alumni to the current program. Not once has he mentioned Olsteen quotes or anything in that ball park or brag about his defense.

Carlson on the other hand bragged about his top notch air raid offense, his ability to recruit and build powerhouse programs, used other coaches mantras and saying whenever he could.

I think I speak for a majority on the board when I say this is not the same situation. You are also reverting back 9 years. Let's be optimistic Fox did an outstanding job in his first spring.

[crusader05]

Is Fox's outreach to the alums a new development for the program? Trying to put his actions into perspective. I have heard that he's been involved on campus getting to know people and very interested in holding his men accountable on the field and in the classroom and making sure he knows the resources for students so I view that as a positive mark on how he views his role as a leader for these men but I don't know too much about what is typical. I have also heard that he's been upping the ante in regards to expectations of the amount of work required to be a member of the team.

[JD24]

I like what I've heard and observed from Coach Fox. Potentially, I agree, that he could be a significant hire.

[NWIGuy]

Any one have insight as to has how summer is going for Crusader football? Did hiring a full-time, football only, strength coach lead to more guys staying in Valpo and training together this summer? Seems like getting non-scholarship kids to stay in town and train together would be difficult, generally speaking.