ARC Average Yearly Attendance

Just Sayin · March 13, 2021, 10:15:20 AM

Per NCAA website:
Comparison to Gonzaga, First number Valpo, second Zags

The Tale Told: When a board, administration, and athletic department make a commitment to invest in a top-notch men's basketball program and another board, administration, and athletic department decides not to make a commitment to a top-notch men's basketball program.

1978 2,500/3,227
1979 923/3,308
1980 1,495/2,075
1981 1,170/3,052
1982 854/2,778
1983 1,836/1,904
1984 1,881/2,884
1985 1,288/2,182
1986 1,061/1,826
1987 1,882/2,116
1988 1,812/2,116
1989 1,817/2,224
1990 1,727/1,960
1991 2,356/2,657
1992 2,031/3,172
1993 2,640/3,055
1994 3,251/3,378
1995 3,446/3,537
1996 3,886/3,193
1997 3,625/3,122
1998 3,861/3,616
1999 4,327/3,723
2000 4,039/4,007
2001 4,327/3,958
2002 4,530/3,997
2003 4,376/4,000
2004 3,945/5,164
2005 4,174/6,422
2006 3,353/6,367
2007 3,520/6,406
2008 3,666/6,000
2009 2,973/6,000
2010 2,739/6,000
2011 3,362/6,000
2012 3,383/6,212
2013 3,173/6,000
2014 2,833/6,000
2015 3,066/6,325
2016 3,572/6,000
2017 3,086/6,000
2018 2,722/6,000
2019 2,611/6,000
2020 2,797/6,000

valpotx · March 13, 2021, 01:16:04 PM

That is not a fair comparison. Gonzaga has 7,500 students, and is in Spokane, which has around 220,000 people. They also probably don't suffer from having the same school name as a hated HS rival in the greater area in which they are located.

JD24 · March 13, 2021, 02:32:54 PM

Quote from: valpotx on March 13, 2021, 01:16:04 PMThat is not a fair comparison. Gonzaga has 7,500 students, and is in Spokane, which has around 220,000 people. They also probably don't suffer from having the same school name as a hated HS rival in the greater area in which they are located.

Yeah but they do suffer from some people mispronouncing their name from time to time.

bbtds · March 13, 2021, 04:15:46 PM

Quote from: valpotx on March 13, 2021, 01:16:04 PM
That is not a fair comparison. Gonzaga has 7,500 students, and is in Spokane, which has around 220,000 people. They also probably don't suffer from having the same school name as a hated HS rival in the greater area in which they are located.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzaga_Preparatory_School

Not confirming anything but are you sure about that statement?

There's also a boys Catholic high school near the old St Louis Checkerdome / Arena on Oakland Ave. called SLUH, Saint Louis University High School.

GRADS OF SLUH

Ken Kwapis, a director in Hollywood, who directed episodes of "The Office".

William S. Bowdern, S.J., conducted an exorcism, some details of which were portrayed in William Peter Blatty's novel The Exorcist, as well as in the movie based upon that novel.

Matt Gunn, writer for HBO show Real Time with Bill Maher.

Jean Baptiste Charbonneau, son of Sacagawea and Toussaint Charbonneau, members of The Corps of Discovery/Lewis and Clark Expedition, pictured as an infant on the U.S. One Dollar Coin. (I saw his grave at a cemetery on the Wind River Indian Reservation in the middle of Wyoming, next to his mother, Sacagawea, which many of the Shoshone Tribe were surprised I wanted to see)

George Michael, sportscaster for The George Michael Sports Machine.

Nelson Burton Jr., professional bowler.

Ed Macauley, professional basketball player and member of the Basketball Hall of Fame.

At least 20 soccer players that later played professionally including Ty Keough, Pat McBride, Taylor Twellman, etc.

Hubert Schlafly, co-inventor of the teleprompter, member of the Schlafly Brewing family and had a relative named Phyliss who was a big opponent of the women's rights movement.

Oh, yes, one extremely interesting grad of Gonzaga Prep

Bing Crosby - singer/entertainer, winner of Academy Award for Best Actor for role as Father Chuck O'Malley in 1944 film Going My Way

valpotx · March 13, 2021, 07:09:31 PM

I said, 'probably,' as I didn't want to check. However, a small private HS is not the same as a hated public school tied to the actual city name, which gets more exposure. I barely know the private High Schools in all of DFW. I don't know anyone that thinks, 'I really hate that St. Marks school,' unless they actually attended private HS lol.

JD24 · March 13, 2021, 07:27:15 PM

Quote from: bbtds on March 13, 2021, 04:15:46 PMJean Baptiste Charbonneau, son of Sacagawea and Toussaint Charbonneau, members of The Corps of Discovery/Lewis and Clark Expedition, pictured as an infant on the U.S. One Dollar Coin. (I saw his grave at a cemetery on the Wind River Indian Reservation in the middle of Wyoming, next to his mother, Sacagawea, which many of the Shoshone Tribe were surprised I wanted to see)

This would be something I'd do myself and hope to do so some day.

bbtds · March 13, 2021, 10:27:39 PM

Quote from: JD24 on March 13, 2021, 07:27:15 PM
Quote from: bbtds on March 13, 2021, 04:15:46 PMJean Baptiste Charbonneau, son of Sacagawea and Toussaint Charbonneau, members of The Corps of Discovery/Lewis and Clark Expedition, pictured as an infant on the U.S. One Dollar Coin. (I saw his grave at a cemetery on the Wind River Indian Reservation in the middle of Wyoming, next to his mother, Sacagawea, which many of the Shoshone Tribe were surprised I wanted to see)
This would be something I'd do myself and hope to do so some day.

I went there for the 2017 Total Solar Eclipse. We positioned ourselves on a hill above the Shoshone village of Pavillion. We watched while the Shoshone did "bring back the sun" dances around their sacred bones. It was an incredible sight seeing the total darkness over the hillside and village while a pink ring encircled the horizon in every direction. We saw some horse skeletal remains on the hillside. We were later told the Shoshone let their old horses wander away to die. One thing is the economic situation was horrible and alcoholism affects nearly 50% of the population.

BTW, Clark, himself, adopted Sacagawea's two children when she died and it was Clark that put Jean Baptiste in what later became known as SLUH. Also Toussaint Charbonneau was a terrible husband who was unfaithful and was actually a bigamist with many wives.

VUGrad1314 · March 13, 2021, 10:33:50 PM

It's also worth noting that the run that put us on the map PREDATED Gonzaga's by one year. We had our shot and didn't take it. They got their shot and they took it. What "Hated HS rival" has the same name as Valpo? I can't think of any schools that have the name Crusaders that VHS ever plays. Unless you mean how Valparaiso is not well-liked by the rest of the region in which case I'm not sure what we can do about that.

bbtds · March 13, 2021, 11:11:44 PM

G-Prep won seven straight GSL Baseball championships from 1997-2003. The Bullpups baseball teams went undefeated for eight years. When Lewis and Clark High School defeated G-Prep on April 13, 2003, it was the Bullpups' first loss since 1996. The team continues to experience success.

I'm pretty sure there must be a few high schools that hate Gonzaga Prep.

There are definitely some in Indy that truly hate Cathedral.

FYI, SLUH teams are known as the Junior Bills or Billikens

JD24 · March 13, 2021, 11:30:02 PM

Quote from: bbtds on March 13, 2021, 10:27:39 PMBTW, Clark, himself, adopted Sacagawea's two children when she died and it was Clark that put Jean Baptiste in what later became known as SLUH. Also Toussaint Charbonneau was a terrible husband who was unfaithful and was actually a bigamist with many wives.

I knew William Clark adopted Sacagawea's children. I didn't know the last part.

valpotx · March 14, 2021, 12:42:40 AM

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 13, 2021, 10:33:50 PM
It's also worth noting that the run that put us on the map PREDATED Gonzaga's by one year. We had our shot and didn't take it. They got their shot and they took it. What "Hated HS rival" has the same name as Valpo? I can't think of any schools that have the name Crusaders that VHS ever plays. Unless you mean how Valparaiso is not well-liked by the rest of the region in which case I'm not sure what we can do about that.

Not the mascot, the actual school name. That is a legitimate reason referenced by folks in the area, as to why they don't support VU. I wasn't saying we could do anything about it, but that is a big reason why our attendance can never really equal that of a Gonzaga.

On the private school post by bbtds, there are going to be HS' that hate Gonzaga Prep, but do you think the majority of Spokane gives a flip about them? I would highly doubt it, similar to most private High Schools. It is much more based on your public school and actual city name versus other schools in your area. That is a huge factor against attendance gaining at VU. Maybe we can solve it by changing the name of the school itself? We could be Cancel Culture U, and our mascot being the Woke lol jk

usc4valpo · March 14, 2021, 06:54:46 AM

If you look at the trends it is actually a very fair assessment to conclude that Gonzaga took advantage of success and escalated it to where they are today, unlike Valpo who took it for granted. Give Gonzaga credit and smarts for sustainability.

JD24 · March 14, 2021, 08:57:27 AM

While Gonzaga took advantage of their situation, it really needs to be looked upon as THE unique situation that it is.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/14/march-madness-2021-gonzaga-chasing-fairy-tale-ending/

crusader05 · March 14, 2021, 10:09:04 AM

Yeah I think consistently pointing to Gonzaga year after year points out the specialness of what they did. There are Cinderella every year. If elevating your program to a Gonzaga level was something replicable we wouldn't be pointing out multiple other programs over and over again year after year.

I get that it's easy to say look if we just "put the effort in and dedicated ourselves" it would work out but that ignores lots of places that have poured money into programs that have the same record or worse than us or that luck and geographic location and a whole lot of other things have to do with it too.