HL vs. other leagues 2011

dylanrocks · November 20, 2011, 08:38:43 PM

Through Sunday's games, the Horizon League is 23-13 overall and 13-12 against fellow Division 1 teams, with a record of 9-1 at home and 4-11 on the road.

10-1 vs. non-Division 1
Detroit over Lake Erie College
Green Bay over University of Mary
Milwaukee over Southwest Minnesota State
Wright State over Kenyon College
Valparaiso over Holy Cross (Ind.)
Cleveland State over Rio Grande
Youngstown State over Notre Dame (Ohio)
UIC over Roosevelt College
Detroit over Concordia (Mich.)
Quincy (played by Jack Klugman) over UIC

Valparaiso over IU Kokomo

2-0 vs. SWAC
Wright State over Jackson State
Milwaukee over Texas Southern

1-0 over Big West
Youngstown State over UC Riverside

1-0 vs. Mountain West
Green Bay over Wyoming

1-0 vs. SEC
Cleveland State over 7 Vanderbilt

3-1 vs. SoCon
Youngstown State over Samford
Valparaiso over Georgia Southern
Butler over Chattanooga
Furman over Loyola

2-1 vs. A-10
Duquesne over Green Bay
Cleveland State over St. Bonventure
Valparaiso over Duquesne

2-1 vs. MAC
Eastern Michigan over UIC
Milwaukee over Northern Illinois
Valparaiso over Akron

1-1 vs. Summit
North Dakota State over Green Bay
Milwaukee over IUPUI

0-1 vs. Big 12
Kansas State over Loyola

0-1 vs. MVC
Evansville over Butler (OT)

0-1 vs. OVC
Eastern Illinois over Loyola

0-1 vs. Pac-12
16 Arizona over Valparaiso

0-2 vs. Big East
Notre Dame over Detroit
6 Louisville over Butler

0-2 vs. Big 10
Illinois over Loyola
3 Ohio State over Wright State

gmoser1210 · November 20, 2011, 08:53:13 PM

Samford is in the SoCon, not the OVC. The Horizon versus other leagues is also available at the 2011-12 Horizon League men's basketball season's article on wikipedia. I'd post the link but apparently I'm not allowed.

vuweathernerd · November 20, 2011, 10:31:02 PM

excellent. glad to see this thread is up again for this season. it was really interesting to see how it changed as last year progressed. thanks dylan for taking the lead on this!

dylanrocks · November 21, 2011, 09:15:29 AM

Thanks!

It's impossible to overstate the importance of Valpo's home victories over good teams from the MAC and A-10. These are the kinds of wins that set our league apart from the rest of the non-BCS conferences.

covufan · November 21, 2011, 02:53:53 PM

Quote from: gmoser1210 on November 20, 2011, 08:53:13 PM
Samford is in the SoCon, not the OVC. The Horizon versus other leagues is also available at the 2011-12 Horizon League men's basketball season's article on wikipedia. I'd post the link but apparently I'm not allowed.

I think when you get to 5 posts, you'll be allowed to post links. Cuts down on spammers.

gmoser1210 · November 21, 2011, 04:40:22 PM

That makes sense (he says trying to improve his post count). Valpo has a season article on wikipedia, too. Actually, all of the HL teams have one this year. You can find them by going to wikipedia and searching "2011–12 Valparaiso Crusaders men's basketball team".

covufan · November 21, 2011, 05:10:17 PM

Quote from: gmoser1210 on November 21, 2011, 04:40:22 PM
That makes sense (he says trying to improve his post count). Valpo has a season article on wikipedia, too. Actually, all of the HL teams have one this year. You can find them by going to wikipedia and searching "2011–12 Valparaiso Crusaders men's basketball team".

HL 2011-12 Season:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Horizon_League_men%27s_basketball_season

Valpo 2011-12 Season:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Valparaiso_Crusaders_men%27s_basketball_team

valpopal · December 08, 2011, 11:40:08 PM

Quote from: dylanrocks on December 08, 2011, 08:41:20 PM
Through Thursday's games, the Horizon League is 39-32 overall and 27-31 against fellow Division 1 teams, with a record of 15-3 at home, 10-26 on the road and 2-2 on a neutral court. Last year H League members went 68-54 against D-1s and 80-54 overall.

The 27-31 record against Div. 1 teams doesn't look very good at first, but it seems more respectable when you notice that exactly twice as many games were played away (36) compared to home games (18).

milanmiracle · December 09, 2011, 01:49:19 PM

Of note 3-14 against BCS opponents. Victory's over DePaul, St. John's and Vandy

valpopal · December 10, 2011, 11:28:14 PM

From Horizon League Twitter Tonight:

"Valpo wraps up the unofficial HL-MAC challenge with a win over Bowling Green. Horizon League finishes 5-2 on the day."

covufan · December 12, 2011, 12:59:17 PM

Hopefully, VU can help that record against the Summit League in the next 12 days!

valporun · December 12, 2011, 07:38:48 PM

Out of our last three OOC games before the new year, we need to win a lot of HL games, otherwise NIU and IUPUI are NOT going to help us that much, if they aren't winning games in conference play. Oakland will help, although 2 of their conference games will cancel out because of playing IUPUI twice. At this point, covufan, Valpo just needs to win games, and not worry about what the RPI mess.

dylanrocks · December 15, 2011, 10:02:12 AM

Through Wednesday's game, the Horizon League is 45-40 overall and 32-39 against fellow Division 1 teams, with a record of 18-5 at home, 12-32 on the road and 2-2 on a neutral court. Last year, Horizon League members went 68-54 against D-1s and 80-54 overall.

13-1 vs. non-Division 1
Detroit over Lake Erie College
Green Bay over University of Mary
Milwaukee over Southwest Minnesota State
Wright State over Kenyon College
Valparaiso over Holy Cross (Ind.)
Cleveland State over Rio Grande
Youngstown State over Notre Dame (Ohio)
UIC over Roosevelt College
Detroit over Concordia (Mich.)
Quincy over UIC
Valparaiso over IU Kokomo
Butler over Oakland City (Ind.)
Youngstown State over Fredonia State
Green Bay over Michigan Tech

2-0 vs. NEC
Youngstown State over St. Francis (Pa.)
Cleveland State over Robert Morris

2-0 vs. SWAC
Wright State over Jackson State
Milwaukee over Texas Southern

1-0 vs. America East
Cleveland State over Boston U.

1-0 vs. Big South
Butler over Gardner-Webb

1-0 vs. Big West
Youngstown State over UC Riverside

1-0 vs. MEAC
Butler over Savannah State

1-0 vs. Sun Belt
Milwaukee over UALR

3-1 vs. SoCon
Youngstown State over Samford
Valparaiso over Georgia Southern
Butler over Chattanooga
Furman over Loyola

9-6 vs. MAC
Eastern Michigan over UIC
Milwaukee over Northern Illinois
Valparaiso over Akron
Cleveland State over Kent State
Bowling Green over Detroit
Akron over Detroit
Toledo over UIC
Detroit over Western Michigan
Cleveland State over Akron
Ball State over Butler
Loyola over Toledo
Wright State over Miami (Ohio)
UIC over Northern Illinois
Buffalo over Youngstown State
Valparaiso over Bowling Green

4-4 vs. A-10
Duquesne over Green Bay
Cleveland State over St. Bonventure
Valparaiso over Duquesne
George Washington over Detroit
Loyola over Fordham
Charlotte over Wright State
Cleveland State over Rhode Island
8 Xavier over Butler

1-1 vs. OVC
Eastern Illinois over Loyola
Detroit over Austin Peay

1-1 vs. Mountain West
Green Bay over Wyoming
Air Force over Wright State

1-2 vs. SEC
Cleveland State over 7 Vanderbilt
Florida over Wright State
15 Alabama over Detroit

1-2 vs. Summit
North Dakota State over Green Bay
Milwaukee over IUPUI
IPFW over Valparaiso

1-3 vs. MVC
Evansville over Butler (OT)
Indiana State over Green Bay
UIC over Evansville
Northern Iowa over Milwaukee

2-5 vs. Big East
Notre Dame over Detroit
Louisville over Butler
Milwaukee over DePaul
Detroit over St. John's
DePaul over Loyola
11 Marquette over Green Bay
Cincinnati over Wright State

0-1 vs. ACC
Virginia over Green Bay

0-1 vs. A-Sun
North Florida over Wright State

0-1 vs. Big 12
Kansas State over Loyola

0-1 vs. CAA
Hofstra over Cleveland State

0-2 vs. Pac-12
16 Arizona over Valparaiso
Oregon State over UIC

0-8 vs. Big 10
Illinois over Loyola
3 Ohio State over Wright State
Michigan State over Milwaukee
Penn State over Youngstown State
3 Ohio State over Valparaiso
Indiana over Butler
14 Wisconsin over Green Bay
Wisconsin over Milwaukee

motowntitan · December 15, 2011, 06:00:38 PM

The Horizon League OOC has been too depressing this year!

covufan · December 17, 2011, 01:20:07 PM

Quote from: motowntitan on December 15, 2011, 06:00:38 PM
The Horizon League OOC has been too depressing this year!

We need to jump start that record against the Summit League - starting tonight!

agibson · December 17, 2011, 02:20:00 PM

Quote from: covufan on December 17, 2011, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: motowntitan on December 15, 2011, 06:00:38 PM
The Horizon League OOC has been too depressing this year!

We need to jump start that record against the Summit League - starting tonight!

I'm afraid it'll be easy to interpret it into a "we can only lose" situation.

Even if Oakland has a good season, if we win "We only beat a Mid-Con team". If we lose, we lost to the Summit league!

But, should be a good game. And, let's win it!

vu72 · December 17, 2011, 03:58:05 PM

I think the league just got a big win when Butler beat Purdue. Purdue in't ranked but still a nice win over the Big Ten! Congrats to them. Detroit put up nice battle but lost to Miss. State by 5. We need to get this win tonight!

mj · December 17, 2011, 04:59:14 PM

Great win for Butler. Purdue had an RPI around 60, so hopefully we see a bump up from that win.

wh · December 17, 2011, 06:08:05 PM

Even in a rebuilding year, they win a big game on a big stage. Very impressive.

Butler fans have been on Andrew Smith repeatedly about never going up strong and slamming the ball when he gets it underneath the basket - even questioning whether he can even dunk in traffic. Lo and behold they run a designed alley-oop at a crucial time in the game and he THROWS it down like he's been doing it all his life. I don't think anyone expected that, including 5 Purdue players caught flat footed. Good call by the coaching staff.

dylanrocks · December 29, 2011, 04:15:43 PM

Through Wednesday's game, the Horizon League is 59-52 overall and 45-51 against fellow Division 1 programs, with a record of 26-9 at home, 16-40 on the road and 3-2 on a neutral court. Last year, Horizon League members went 68-54 against D-1s and 80-54 overall.

13-1 vs. non-Division 1
Detroit over Lake Erie College
Green Bay over University of Mary
Milwaukee over Southwest Minnesota State
Wright State over Kenyon College
Valparaiso over Holy Cross (Ind.)
Cleveland State over Rio Grande
Youngstown State over Notre Dame (Ohio)
UIC over Roosevelt College
Detroit over Concordia (Mich.)
Quincy over UIC
Valparaiso over IU Kokomo
Butler over Oakland City (Ind.)
Youngstown State over Fredonia State
Green Bay over Michigan Tech
Loyola over Rockhurst

3-0 vs. SWAC
Wright State over Jackson State
Milwaukee over Texas Southern
Detroit over Alabama State

2-0 vs. Big West
Youngstown State over UC Riverside
Loyola over Chicago State

2-0 vs. WAC
Wright State over Idaho (OT)
Green Bay over Idaho

1-0 vs. America East
Cleveland State over Boston U.

1-0 vs. Big South
Butler over Gardner-Webb

1-0 vs. MAAC
Loyola over Canisius

1-0 vs. MEAC
Butler over Savannah State

1-0 vs. provisional D-1
Milwaukee over Nebraska-Omaha

1-0 vs. Sun Belt
Milwaukee over UALR

1-0 vs. Southland
Cleveland State over Sam Houston State

3-1 vs. SoCon
Youngstown State over Samford
Valparaiso over Georgia Southern
Butler over Chattanooga
Furman over Loyola

2-1 vs. NEC
Youngstown State over St. Francis (Pa.)
Cleveland State over Robert Morris
Robert Morris over Younsgtown State

12-10 vs. MAC
Eastern Michigan over UIC
Milwaukee over Northern Illinois
Valparaiso over Akron
Cleveland State over Kent State
Bowling Green over Detroit
Akron over Detroit
Toledo over UIC
Detroit over Western Michigan
Cleveland State over Akron
Ball State over Butler
Loyola over Toledo
Wright State over Miami (Ohio)
UIC over Northern Illinois
Buffalo over Youngstown State
Valparaiso over Bowling Green
Central Michigan over UIC
Ohio over Wright State
Toledo over Youngstown State
Akron over Youngstown State
Valparaiso over Northern Illinois
Wright State over Central Michigan
Cleveland State over Toledo

1-1 vs. OVC
Eastern Illinois over Loyola
Detroit over Austin Peay

1-1 vs. Mountain West
Green Bay over Wyoming
Air Force over Wright State

4-5 vs. A-10
Duquesne over Green Bay
Cleveland State over St. Bonventure
Valparaiso over Duquesne
George Washington over Detroit
Loyola over Fordham
Charlotte over Wright State
Cleveland State over Rhode Island
8 Xavier over Butler
Dayton over UIC

1-2 vs. Pac-12
16 Arizona over Valparaiso
Oregon State over UIC
Butler over Stanford

2-4 vs. Summit
North Dakota State over Green Bay
Milwaukee over IUPUI
IPFW over Valparaiso
Oakland over Valparaiso
UIC over Western Illinois
IUPUI over Valparaiso

1-3 vs. MVC
Evansville over Butler (OT)
Indiana State over Green Bay
UIC over Evansville
Northern Iowa over Milwaukee

1-3 vs. SEC
Cleveland State over 7 Vanderbilt
Florida over Wright State
15 Alabama over Detroit
16 Mississippi State over Detroit

2-7 vs. Big East
Notre Dame over Detroit
Louisville over Butler
Milwaukee over DePaul
Detroit over St. John's
DePaul over Loyola
11 Marquette over Green Bay
Cincinnati over Wright State
South Florida over Cleveland State
Marquette over Milwaukee

1-8 vs. Big 10
Illinois over Loyola
3 Ohio State over Wright State
Michigan State over Milwaukee
Penn State over Youngstown State
3 Ohio State over Valparaiso
Indiana over Butler
14 Wisconsin over Green Bay
14 Wisconsin over Milwaukee
Butler over Purdue

0-1 vs. ACC
Virginia over Green Bay

0-1 vs. A-Sun
North Florida over Wright State

0-1 vs. Big 12
Kansas State over Loyola

0-1 vs. CAA
Hofstra over Cleveland State

0-1 vs. WCC
Gonzaga over Butler

covufan · December 30, 2011, 10:11:36 AM

I still can't believe we are 0-3 against the Summit League this year.

valpotx · December 30, 2011, 10:16:51 AM

Funny, that is what stuck out to me as well

valporun · December 30, 2011, 11:27:23 AM

The problem I had with us in the Summit games this season, we played to their weaknesses, instead of taking advantage of them, and adding to our strengths. I don't look at this team being molded for next year as anything more than an excuse. We should be adjusting to the things that the opponent is taking advantage of, and if this means giving the green light or some true confidence to some of the transfers and younger guys, not just Kevin and Ryan, this would help our team in games. Some of the guys we keep harping on are struggling because they aren't being given the necessary confidence from the coaching staff that they can play this game. I mean Vucic was showing some real promise early in the non-conference season, and he was doing a good job of spelling Kevin inside, then all of a sudden he's sitting the bench and not seeing the court at all. In my opinion, Vucic was starting to look like he had an idea of what to do. He just needed the coaching staff to give him more confidence than what he was already getting. Give more confidence to the guys coming in off the bench, and it might help Ryan, Kevin, and Buggs not have to bear so much of the offensive and defensive spark to keep up in games.