Valpo vs. Milwaukee (1/28) Game Thread

[koala]

Hey we won the game how about we talk about that and not Ritchie anymore?   The coaching staff will deal with him so lets get back to talking about the great win 

[Kanga]

Hey we won the game how about we talk about that and not Ritchie anymore? The coaching staff will deal with him so lets get back to talking about the great win

I agree Koala it was a hard fought win in a tough environment, well done boys !!

[letsgovu]

Watch again. He looked right at them and ran his mouth. I was disappointed, but mostly okay with the first T, but that second one was completely stupid and shows that Edwards has absolutely no poise and no class.  Combine that with other bits of evidence (see ssshing the Butler student section) and I can come to no other than conclusion than that Edwards is an immature little punk and he better grow up in a big hurry.

from the camera I was watching, looks like the ref was right there so whatever he did/said was right in front of the ref..bad luck.

great game today.  so proud of the guys for hanging in there till all the way till the bitter end.  Go Valpo!!!

[Nildogg]

Good win, and glad I was wrong.  In regards to Richie, not sure he deserved the second T.  All the video showed was him yelling loudly looking towards OUR bench, I didn't see anything where he yelled at their bench?

Watch again. He looked right at them and ran his mouth. I was disappointed, but mostly okay with the first T, but that second one was completely stupid and shows that Edwards has absolutely no poise and no class.  Combine that with other bits of evidence (see ssshing the Butler student section) and I can come to no other than conclusion than that Edwards is an immature little punk and he better grow up in a big hurry.

Yep!  Immature punk is accurate.

[StlVUFan]

Good win, and glad I was wrong.  In regards to Richie, not sure he deserved the second T.  All the video showed was him yelling loudly looking towards OUR bench, I didn't see anything where he yelled at their bench? 

Watch again. He looked right at them and ran his mouth. I was disappointed, but mostly okay with the first T, but that second one was completely stupid and shows that Edwards has absolutely no poise and no class.  Combine that with other bits of evidence (see ssshing the Butler student section) and I can come to no other than conclusion than that Edwards is an immature little punk and he better grow up in a big hurry.

Shushing Butler fan section?  That's a minor infraction at best.  Butler students have thin skins.  I thought it was funny.

[vu72]

Good win, and glad I was wrong.  In regards to Richie, not sure he deserved the second T.  All the video showed was him yelling loudly looking towards OUR bench, I didn't see anything where he yelled at their bench? 

Watch again. He looked right at them and ran his mouth. I was disappointed, but mostly okay with the first T, but that second one was completely stupid and shows that Edwards has absolutely no poise and no class.  Combine that with other bits of evidence (see ssshing the Butler student section) and I can come to no other than conclusion than that Edwards is an immature little punk and he better grow up in a big hurry.

Seems the pot is calling the kettle black.  You seem to have a corner on running your mouth and showing no class on this board.

[valporun]

I thought that Richie was goaded into some of the stuff that got him ejected. Another case of Jeter telling his guys to pick on the most volatile player, so they went for the freshman, and happened to get Richie riled up. We lose him for the Detroit game because of the ejection.

The guys did put up a hard fight. A very strong win in the closing minutes for these guys.

I did mention during the game chat that it might not hurt to try having Rowdy, Kevin, and Vucic in at the same time, maybe that would help our guards shoot the ball some more, since they would have some height to go after rebounds, rather than having our height being about as tall as their physical players inside.

[crusaderjoe]

Some positives, some negatives, but a ballsy win on the road in a hostile environment--this is exactly what we needed after GB ripped the scab off of the wound inflicted by last year's Wisconsin trip.  Nice to see us come back like that after the crap we strung together two days ago.  Good job fellas.

[78crusader]

Rather than slam the guys on this board who are critical of Edwards, maybe we should all consider what Edwards did.  His technicals could have cost us this game and wasted a terrific effort by his teammates.  Not only that, he can't play in the next game against Detroit.  How is that helping his teammates, who find themselves in the middle of a race for the conference championship?

Doesn't matter that we weren't getting the calls from the refs, or that he was goaded or taunted by the opposing team into losing his temper.  He showed very poor judgment and an immature attitude.  He is responsible, not guys on the board who call him out for conduct that hurts the team and, by the way, the university.  Paul

[valpofan56]

Good win, and glad I was wrong.  In regards to Richie, not sure he deserved the second T.  All the video showed was him yelling loudly looking towards OUR bench, I didn't see anything where he yelled at their bench? 

Watch again. He looked right at them and ran his mouth. I was disappointed, but mostly okay with the first T, but that second one was completely stupid and shows that Edwards has absolutely no poise and no class.  Combine that with other bits of evidence (see ssshing the Butler student section) and I can come to no other than conclusion than that Edwards is an immature little punk and he better grow up in a big hurry.

Seems the pot is calling the kettle black.  You seem to have a corner on running your mouth and showing no class on this board.

I'm not even going to point out how hypocritical you are being by attacking me right now
. . . Oh wait I just did!

[valpofan56]

Rather than slam the guys on this board who are critical of Edwards, maybe we should all consider what Edwards did.  His technicals could have cost us this game and wasted a terrific effort by his teammates.  Not only that, he can't play in the next game against Detroit.  How is that helping his teammates, who find themselves in the middle of a race for the conference championship?

Doesn't matter that we weren't getting the calls from the refs, or that he was goaded or taunted by the opposing team into losing his temper.  He showed very poor judgment and an immature attitude.  He is responsible, not guys on the board who call him out for conduct that hurts the team and, by the way, the university.  Paul

Thank you!

[valpopal]

I thought that Richie was goaded into some of the stuff that got him ejected. Another case of Jeter telling his guys to pick on the most volatile player, so they went for the freshman, and happened to get Richie riled up. We lose him for the Detroit game because of the ejection.

The guys did put up a hard fight. A very strong win in the closing minutes for these guys.

I did mention during the game chat that it might not hurt to try having Rowdy, Kevin, and Vucic in at the same time, maybe that would help our guards shoot the ball some more, since they would have some height to go after rebounds, rather than having our height being about as tall as their physical players inside.

I didn't see the first half of the game, though I have it recorded and will review the game. Therefore, I don't know yet what Edwards did or didn't do and say. Nor do I know whether his actions warranted ejection or the officials were over-reacting to the recent pressure from above. Apparently, two other players received technical fouls as well.

However, I find it amusing that some folks on this board seem so upset. I recall the discussions here last year about how that team was too passive and rolled over when confronted by the antics of a couple other teams in the league, when they should have stood up with a bit more attitude. Okay, maybe Edwards should have been more cautious after the first technical. Still, I'm just saying, perhaps this year's team is a little more feisty, a characteristic some of us have been requesting, and despite the ejection of Edwards, that might be a good thing in the long run.

I also like the idea of Kevin, Vucic (or Edwards), and Rowdy occasionally on the court at the same time, and I am wondering what numbers Rowdy might have next year if he can move from the 4 position to the 3 position with the additional big men eligible. That could be a huge difference. 

[chef]

Don't think there's any rule stating a player that gets two technicals is suspended for the next game.

[valporun]

Don't think there's any rule stating a player that gets two technicals is suspended for the next game.

Maybe there isn't a subset of rules for technicals that aren't from a fight, but I guess I was thinking that two technicals resulted in ejection and automatic suspension from the following game.

I thought we had seen Edwards in with Rowdy and Kevin a few times this season, but we'd never seen Kevin, Rowdy, and Vucic in together?

[govalpogo]

Holy Crapoli! Was not expecting to come home to a W!  A nice way to end a lovely afternoon with the future Mrs.  (She roots for Valpo mainly because I am far more fun to be around when they win...I guess because she went to Valpo also.)  I'll have to watch the last 12 minutes on replay!  Very important win! 

[StlVUFan]

Rather than slam the guys on this board who are critical of Edwards, maybe we should all consider what Edwards did.  His technicals could have cost us this game and wasted a terrific effort by his teammates.  Not only that, he can't play in the next game against Detroit.  How is that helping his teammates, who find themselves in the middle of a race for the conference championship?

Doesn't matter that we weren't getting the calls from the refs, or that he was goaded or taunted by the opposing team into losing his temper.  He showed very poor judgment and an immature attitude.  He is responsible, not guys on the board who call him out for conduct that hurts the team and, by the way, the university.  Paul

Thank you!

Some do a much better job of commenting responsibly on what happened.  It is not necessary to jump to hasty conclusions in order to criticize Richie.

[StlVUFan]

I thought that Richie was goaded into some of the stuff that got him ejected. Another case of Jeter telling his guys to pick on the most volatile player, so they went for the freshman, and happened to get Richie riled up. We lose him for the Detroit game because of the ejection.

The guys did put up a hard fight. A very strong win in the closing minutes for these guys.

I did mention during the game chat that it might not hurt to try having Rowdy, Kevin, and Vucic in at the same time, maybe that would help our guards shoot the ball some more, since they would have some height to go after rebounds, rather than having our height being about as tall as their physical players inside.

I didn't see the first half of the game, though I have it recorded and will review the game. Therefore, I don't know yet what Edwards did or didn't do and say. Nor do I know whether his actions warranted ejection or the officials were over-reacting to the recent pressure from above. Apparently, two other players received technical fouls as well.

However, I find it amusing that some folks on this board seem so upset. I recall the discussions here last year about how that team was too passive and rolled over when confronted by the antics of a couple other teams in the league, when they should have stood up with a bit more attitude. Okay, maybe Edwards should have been more cautious after the first technical. Still, I'm just saying, perhaps this year's team is a little more feisty, a characteristic some of us have been requesting, and despite the ejection of Edwards, that might be a good thing in the long run.

Don't count me in that group.  Intensity is one thing.  Macho bravado is quite another.  Taunting the crowd doesn't put points on the board.

[valpospartan]

The VU athletic website's account of the game doesn't mention Edward's Ts - Hmmm.

[StlVUFan]

The VU athletic website's account of the game doesn't mention Edward's Ts - Hmmm.

An athletic website sugar coated a game story!  Stop the presses.

[wh]

I thought that Richie was goaded into some of the stuff that got him ejected. Another case of Jeter telling his guys to pick on the most volatile player, so they went for the freshman, and happened to get Richie riled up. We lose him for the Detroit game because of the ejection.

The guys did put up a hard fight. A very strong win in the closing minutes for these guys.

I did mention during the game chat that it might not hurt to try having Rowdy, Kevin, and Vucic in at the same time, maybe that would help our guards shoot the ball some more, since they would have some height to go after rebounds, rather than having our height being about as tall as their physical players inside.

I didn't see the first half of the game, though I have it recorded and will review the game. Therefore, I don't know yet what Edwards did or didn't do and say. Nor do I know whether his actions warranted ejection or the officials were over-reacting to the recent pressure from above. Apparently, two other players received technical fouls as well.

However, I find it amusing that some folks on this board seem so upset. I recall the discussions here last year about how that team was too passive and rolled over when confronted by the antics of a couple other teams in the league, when they should have stood up with a bit more attitude. Okay, maybe Edwards should have been more cautious after the first technical. Still, I'm just saying, perhaps this year's team is a little more feisty, a characteristic some of us have been requesting, and despite the ejection of Edwards, that might be a good thing in the long run.

I also like the idea of Kevin, Vucic (or Edwards), and Rowdy occasionally on the court at the same time, and I am wondering what numbers Rowdy might have next year if he can move from the 4 position to the 3 position with the additional big men eligible. That could be a huge difference. 

I hated Dennis Rodman when he was part of the Detroit "Bad Boys."  When he became a part of my beloved Bulls, I grew to love him - attitude, technicals and all.  Why - because he added an element of toughness and attitude the Bull were sorely in need of (yes stl, I know I ended in a preposition).  If Richie can add more hustle to his defensive game and bring some much needed attitude and toughness at the same time, I'll love him as well.  Great finish by our guys by the way!

[valpopal]

I thought that Richie was goaded into some of the stuff that got him ejected. Another case of Jeter telling his guys to pick on the most volatile player, so they went for the freshman, and happened to get Richie riled up. We lose him for the Detroit game because of the ejection.

The guys did put up a hard fight. A very strong win in the closing minutes for these guys.

I did mention during the game chat that it might not hurt to try having Rowdy, Kevin, and Vucic in at the same time, maybe that would help our guards shoot the ball some more, since they would have some height to go after rebounds, rather than having our height being about as tall as their physical players inside.

I didn't see the first half of the game, though I have it recorded and will review the game. Therefore, I don't know yet what Edwards did or didn't do and say. Nor do I know whether his actions warranted ejection or the officials were over-reacting to the recent pressure from above. Apparently, two other players received technical fouls as well.

However, I find it amusing that some folks on this board seem so upset. I recall the discussions here last year about how that team was too passive and rolled over when confronted by the antics of a couple other teams in the league, when they should have stood up with a bit more attitude. Okay, maybe Edwards should have been more cautious after the first technical. Still, I'm just saying, perhaps this year's team is a little more feisty, a characteristic some of us have been requesting, and despite the ejection of Edwards, that might be a good thing in the long run.

Don't count me in that group.  Intensity is one thing.  Macho bravado is quite another.  Taunting the crowd doesn't put points on the board.

Apparently, Coach Jeter admired the attitude shown by Valpo in this game as well:

"I'm very impressed with Valpo — their toughness, their grittiness," UWM coach Rob Jeter said. "From the first play of the game, you knew it was going to be an edgy game. They never backed down, they never backed off, they really kept coming at us. As a result you get the technicals and all the things that happened. We tried to keep the cooler heads, but at the end, we were a little too cool, maybe. If we could have been a little nastier, maybe we could have gotten some of those rebounds and some of those 50-50 balls."

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/10295153-556/crusaders-rally-for-crucial-road-win.html

[govalpogo]

As a side note, kudos to the students who made the bus trip up, it looked like a nice showing on the video.  Even though they were in the upper section I could here some orchestrated FT chants and a couple of "let's go Valpo" cheers.  UWM has become a nice rival for us, and perhaps one with a little more heat to it now that all of the members of the 07-08 team who lost that devastating game to Butler have graduated. 

[sectionee]

http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2012/01/weekend-wrap-up-wisconsin-split.html

Not a fan of that second T. Even less of a fan of the fist pump.  But unless there is a HL rule about a one gamer he won't be suspended.  The NCAA has no rule like that in place except for maybe fighting.  Anyways, good win and I take a shot at Kaylon Williams in this post.  Hope you like it.  Looking forward to home games this weekend and a HOF induction!

[wh]

As a side note, kudos to the students who made the bus trip up, it looked like a nice showing on the video.  Even though they were in the upper section I could here some orchestrated FT chants and a couple of "let's go Valpo" cheers.  UWM has become a nice rival for us, and perhaps one with a little more heat to it now that all of the members of the 07-08 team who lost that devastating game to Butler have graduated. 

I agree that Milw has become a good rivalry.  For one thing their fans are everything Butler fans aren't.  They make it a point to become educated about the other teams and opposing players.  The vast majority of Butler fans are totally absorbed by their own program and its past success.  They don't want to waste their time learning about other teams in a league they think they're too good for.  Their game thread comments are superficial (almost childlike) because they don't know anything of substance.  Milw fans care about the league.  They genuinely root for us when we play OOC games because they care about the conf. and its image.  Butler fans "root" for the other HL teams strictly out of concern for their own RPI and program image.  Bottom line: Milw fans are to be respected; Butler fans are to be tolerated.  One thing I do have in common with Butler fans - they don't consider us their rival and I will never consider them ours.     

[sectionee]

Agreed! Milwaukee fans are fantastic.  Loved the tweets today from their side throughout and after the game.  Great rivalry!