Jubril Adekoya and the Honor Council

[FieldGoodie05]

The tweets by Will Phipps cast more shade on how those in charge are handling this situation.

As far as Jay, he likely had 2-3 beers, big deal. I agree with the prior comment made about making Jay run laps or something to punish him in lieu of punishing the team for what he did by holding him out.

What's that telling our other players that are fully aware of Shane and Adekoya's past suspensions?  2-3 beers becomes 6-8.  You get the point, but I don't think I'm going to change your minds.

Rules are rules, I was an habitual line stepper myself....but learned my lessons through repercussions.

I'd love for him to not start the rest of the season and be done with it.  But I don't think that does as intended.

P.S.  That punishment approach, at times, is the only thing that makes sense where Jaume isn't our starter.

[agibson]

Seems like the whole Peters family is getting in on it. Good for them.

For example
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[agibson]

And #freeJubril has some legs on Twitter. Could we get an updated meme? Maybe a fresh picture or two? His sister's might not be bad.

[VULB#62]

PLEASE DO NOT MIX Jay's issue with Jubril's. If you must discuss Jay's issue create a freaking string. This is getting so convoluted that it is hard to follow posters' logic and interpretations.

Next:  It would be correct to assume that apparently no one knows for sure that the NCAA is even involved.  This

So this string is going nutz on unsupported speculation.

Does anyone have credible evidence on anything?

[valpopal]

Next:  It would be correct to assume that apparently no one knows for sure that the NCAA is even involved.

So this string is going nutz on unsupported speculation.

Does anyone have credible evidence on anything?

I have heard from someone who knows that the NCAA is responsible for the current delay in reinstating Jubril.

[VULB#62]

Good enough for me Pal. Now what other eveidence do we have?

[agibson]

Good enough for me Pal. Now what other eveidence do we have?

What else are you looking for?

[FWalum]

It seems that the #FreeJubrill social media campaign is not enough to push the NCAA in clearing Jubril.  Perhaps it is time for the REAL media to get involved.  Perhaps an investigative reporter from the Tribune media family (or others) should call the NCAA and ask for information on this and other actions taken against student athletes. I would tell them that a story is being investigated as to why it appears that some athletes are treated differently than others based on NCAA revenue or some such thing. I have seen such comparative articles in the past concerning other athletes and programs.  I am sure that bad publicity by a major media outlet couldn't hurt.  Do we know anyone of consequence that could start such and inquiry??

[VU2624]

Isn't the punishment for Jaume's wrong doing up to the coach? I thought the 2 game thing was maybe just Bryce's way to punish that offense.

I believe the timing is at coach's discretion (don't know if he can stretch it next season) but that the punishment is not. VU rules http://cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/valpoathletics/25DB7CED-4D9B-4222-9BBD-C8C98E935FD0/2016-17_SA_Handbook.pdf Not sure if they're madanted/expected by the NCAA. I'll let someone else quote chapter and verse, but because of the criminal charge, unless he disputes it (pleads not guilty, more or less?), it's two games.

Technically he has a court appearance scheduled or to be scheduled. He could wait until that appearance before either pleading guilty, not guilty or going into a diversion program which will dismiss the charges ultimately. Assuming he does the latter to avoid the conviction, that is treated by the school (and any other school I'm aware of) as an admission of guilt and would catch the suspension. So, unless he's already decided to go through the diversion and has formally filed those papers, there's no punishment which needs to be handed out at the moment.

[VU2624]

It seems that the #FreeJubrill social media campaign is not enough to push the NCAA in clearing Jubril.  Perhaps it is time for the REAL media to get involved.  Perhaps an investigative reporter from the Tribune media family (or others) should call the NCAA and ask for information on this and other actions taken against student athletes. I would tell them that a story is being investigated as to why it appears that some athletes are treated differently than others based on NCAA revenue or some such thing. I have seen such comparative articles in the past concerning other athletes and programs.  I am sure that bad publicity by a major media outlet couldn't hurt.  Do we know anyone of consequence that could start such and inquiry??

The short, quick, accurate answer is that they won't comment on it.

[valpopal]

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[wh]

In addition to Matt's body language from the post game referred to above, I wonder if Alec is sending some non-verbal messages of his own:

1. Notice when Alec is congratulated by Matt, ml and mh (41 second mark) for setting the scoring record, he completely ignores mh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSflhFHafA4

2. Subsequently, the university president gets cropped from the receiving line in this picture marking the moment:

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2016-17/16055/peters-claims-league-player-of-the-week-honor/#.WKEzizxOLYU

3. And then, he gets edited out of another video (1:31 mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7KqppjbZfs

4. Finally, in the same video Matt introduces Alec and reaches out to hand Alec the mic to speak. Instead of coming forward and addressing the crowd, Alec just stands there. As someone who was there, I can attest that it was an awkward moment, to say the least. My daughter commented at the time that it made Alec look arrogant. In retrospect, I don't think arrogance had anything to do with it. I think Alec is thoroughly pissed about the way the whole Jubril situation has been handled (mishandled) internally.

[VU2014]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-youngstown-state-valparaiso-st-0213-20170212-story.html

Wearing Jubril Adekoya's No. 23, Alec Peters helps Valparaiso down Youngstown

By: Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune

"The magic number Saturday night was 23.

Alec Peters wore the jersey No. 23 of fellow senior Jubril Adekoya instead of his usual No. 25.

Senior swingman Shane Hammink scored 23 points in Valparaiso's 82-72 Horizon League win over Youngstown State at the Athletics-Recreation Center.

Peters had 22 points, lamenting a missed free throw in the final minute that would have also given him 23."

....

[a3uge]

In addition to Matt's body language from the post game referred to above, I wonder if Alec is sending a non-verbal message of his own relative to the tweet from Alec's dad wondering if "more could have should have been done:"

Notice when Alec is congratulated by Matt, ml and mh (41 second mark) for setting the scoring record, he completely ignores mh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSflhFHafA4

Subsequently, the university president gets cropped from the receiving line in this picture marking the moment:

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2016-17/16055/peters-claims-league-player-of-the-week-honor/#.WKEzizxOLYU

And then, he gets edited out of another video (1:31 mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7KqppjbZfs

[wh]

In addition to Matt's body language from the post game referred to above, I wonder if Alec is sending a non-verbal message of his own relative to the tweet from Alec's dad wondering if "more could have should have been done:"

Notice when Alec is congratulated by Matt, ml and mh (41 second mark) for setting the scoring record, he completely ignores mh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSflhFHafA4

Subsequently, the university president gets cropped from the receiving line in this picture marking the moment:

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2016-17/16055/peters-claims-league-player-of-the-week-honor/#.WKEzizxOLYU

And then, he gets edited out of another video (1:31 mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7KqppjbZfs

The poison came in liquid
She was naked all the time
And no one could explain it
It was all between the lines
And I don't seem to trust anyone no more
It could be faith I'm just not sure

Echo, Tom Petty

[bbtds]

1. Notice when Alec is congratulated by Matt, ml and mh (41 second mark) for setting the scoring record, he completely ignores mh:

I noticed that during the game and thought that maybe Alec was thinking about what he was going to do with the ball in his hands and thinking he wanted to get on with the game but as I rewatched it Alec truly does snub the president of the university. There does seem to be something there that the Peters' family perceive as not being handled as well as it could have been.

[Valpo Joe]

No doubt about it the Prez was dissed by AP. Maybe not the coolest thing to do - but what the hell AP and MH know more than we'll ever know about this situation. Time to go to the Franklin and have a beer.  :cheers:Have to consider what my $$ pledge will be this year. 

[crusadermoe]

Yep. Hard to miss. It's all speculation except your perceptive note that AP not feeling really close to the top guy. At a minimum AP has to perceive VU did not exhaust its options somehow or push strongly enough to expedite this "university matter."   

[VUOR63]

I don't know Alec Peters at all apart from what I've seen of him on the basketball court.  I also think drawing conclusions on his character/loyalty/etc. based on him coming back for another year when he could have gone--literally--anywhere he wanted to is completely reasonable.  He is the kind of man that Valpo should try to turn every 18 year old freshman boy into.

Therefore, if he did in fact spurn the President, the problem is with the President, not Alec Peters.

[VU2014]

That exchange (or lack there of) between AP and MH was surprising but I'm not sure I buy it. My thoughts are that AP wasn't exactly thinking in the moment. Get the record and the honoring must have been one of those out of body experience where sometimes you just aren't there in the moment.

Maybe there is some sort of beef but I'm not sure we can extrapolate that from this awkward 2 second exchange.

I'm not sure what the President of a small private University could do to apply pressure to NCAA and I don't think the gag-order of speaking about the Jubril matter is coming from President Heckler. I'm thinking gag-order is coming from the AD since that is more in his lane of expertise.

[oklahomamick]

Years down the road we will get the answers from an episode of Union Street Hoops.

[Kyle321n]

Years down the road we will get the answers from an episode of Union Street Hoops.

Only 4 more episodes until we get to the Jubril episode.

[VU2014]

Years down the road we will get the answers from an episode of Union Street Hoops.

Years down the road we will still be asking why can't we get a new ARC 

[valpo64]

Re:  Alec Peters demeanor ...Did anyone ever think that perhaps he was totally consumed by the game and it's immediate importance?  Knowing AP's dedication to the game, work ethic and positive and humble attitude, I don't think all of the "hoopla" mattered too much  to him.  It seems like too many people are trying to make something out of nothing.  For those of you who have your undies in a knot over the JA situation,  leave it at that.  It is not Alec's problem.  Let's let our "horse" rest

[FWalum]

[tweet]831003147007045634[/tweet]

Everyone on this board with a Twitter account should be retweeting all of these tweets related to the Jubrill situation.