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wh

Quote from: VU2014 on August 26, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
A new 2020 offer

https://twitter.com/LKasubke22/status/1033826812529463297?s=20
Xavier offers 2020 St. Louis guard Luke Kasubke

"As it pertains to the Musketeers, they now have 17 open offers out to players in the Class of 2020 according to Verbal Commits."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2018/6/30/17520900/xavier-musketeers-basketball-recruiting-2020-luke-kasubke-offer

So, you officially offer 17 players a spot on your team for 3 or 4 openings. How exactly does that work?  What if they all accept? What if only half accept?  How do you tell 17 players how special they are without bursting out laughing?  The class of 2020 still has 2 more years of HS. What's the over/under on total offers for the class of 2020?  40? 50?

IrishDawg

Quote from: wh on August 27, 2018, 12:26:17 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on August 26, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
A new 2020 offer

https://twitter.com/LKasubke22/status/1033826812529463297?s=20
Xavier offers 2020 St. Louis guard Luke Kasubke

"As it pertains to the Musketeers, they now have 17 open offers out to players in the Class of 2020 according to Verbal Commits."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2018/6/30/17520900/xavier-musketeers-basketball-recruiting-2020-luke-kasubke-offer

So, you officially offer 17 players a spot on your team for 3 or 4 openings. How exactly does that work?  What if they all accept? What if only half accept?  How do you tell 17 players how special they are without bursting out laughing?  The class of 2020 still has 2 more years of HS. What's the over/under on total offers for the class of 2020?  40? 50?

Xavier's offers aren't like an offer from Valpo.  For some of the kids they offer, absolutely, whenever they want to accept, they are able to.  For others, they basically have to wait until Xavier tells them that their offer is now acceptable.  It's a weird dynamic, but despite their multitude of offers each year (they currently have 30 "offers" out to the 2019 class with 3 spots left), they still somehow keep up with all the recruits, which is incredible. 

VU2014

#102
We have a 2020 PG recruit coming in for a unofficial visit this weekend.

https://twitter.com/TheDZoneBBall/status/1037688156680855552

Lorne Bowman
Status: Undecided
Year: 2020 (HS JR)
Position: PG
Height: 6-1
Weight: 175
Hometown: Detroit, MI
High School: St. Mary's Preparatory

Current Offers: Oakland, Nebraska, Toledo, Buffalo
Interest: Michigan, Purdue, Butler, Wisconsin, Loyola
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/lorne-bowman-ii

Wisconsin continuing to evaluate 2020 point guard Lorne Bowman
Jon McNamara • BadgerBlitz.com

MEQUON - After a strong camp performance at Wisconsin last month, Lorne Bowman continues to see his recruiting stock rise with the Badgers.

This weekend at the NY2LA Sports Summer Jam in Mequon, head coach Greg Gard watched the 6-foot-2, 180-pound point guard from St. Mary's High School in Michigan.

"They (Wisconsin) really are interested, and you can see that when the head coach comes to watch you," Bowman told BadgerBlitz.com on Sunday. "That means a lot and I really like Wisconsin. I talk to them a lot and I know they are a great program."

Bowman, who plays up an age level for REACH Legends on the AAU circuit, impressed at UW's advanced camp in June. Since then, he's kept in contact with assistant coach Dean Oliver.

"The coaching staff at Wisconsin is great and they said the camp went really well," Bowman said. "They just want to keep watching to see how I improve in order to make sure that I'm getting better. Coach Oliver is a really cool guy and a great assistant coach. I really like him and we're starting to build a good relationship together.

"The spring and summer have been good. Getting back with the guys and getting some wins at some tough tournaments has been a lot of fun. There's been some ups and downs, but it's all about getting better."

Outside of Wisconsin, Bowman has an early offer from Buffalo with interest coming from a handful of other programs.

"I'm hearing from Loyola Chicago, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Butler, Toledo and a couple other schools," he said. "This summer I was at Michigan and Michigan State for camps, along with Wisconsin.

"I plan on taking a couple visits in August after this AAU season. Wisconsin, for sure, and then probably Purdue and Michigan."

In the 2020 class, the Badgers have known offers out to Jalen Johnson, Zeb Jackson, Ethan Morton, Dawson Garcia, Ben Carlson and Jonathan Davis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHpjj0fIQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBic4BNIEUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW54kz2LgnA

VU2014

Good to hear 2020 might be a deep class, because we'll have another big incoming class that year. We always seem to be on a 4 year cycle where we really need to nail that class and land impact players. The coaching staff seems to be really working the recruiting trail for that class.

https://twitter.com/salspeaksball/status/1037528259691507712



VU2014

Valpo coaches could be recruiting: Keshawn Williams or Martice Mitchell. They have a strong 2020 class.

https://twitter.com/greatandgritty/status/1040072289646272512

IrishDawg


VU2014

#108
I know this will make some people happy. The staff is recruiting a big. The only problem might be that Smits/Jay will be graduated and this kid would be true freshman thrown to the wolves. But you know. Maybe we land Skogman and he'd have a year under his belt to take the pressure off whoever they bring in that big 2020 class.

He's getting interest from Butler, Ball State, Purdue, NDSU.

https://twitter.com/RyanJamesMN/status/1041997591607697408
https://twitter.com/minnehut/status/1022596090044923904
https://twitter.com/minnehut/status/999863314581807106

Highlights: https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10528425/5ab04051b018a50864fc943b



FieldGoodie05

Quote from: VU2014 on September 18, 2018, 08:53:52 AM
I know this will make some people happy. The staff is recruiting a big. The only problem might be that Smits/Jay will be graduated and this kid would be true freshman thrown to the wolves. But you know. Maybe we land Skogman and he'd have a year under his belt to take the pressure off whoever they bring in that big 2020 class.

He's getting interest from Butler, Ball State, Purdue, NDSU.

Highlights: https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10528425/5ab04051b018a50864fc943b

An announcer during the Indiana State game said it best, "there just aren't a lot of 7'0" people roaming the earth" in reference to our Centers.  Now I know this kid is (at best 6'9") so this quote doesn't exactly apply.  But the concept is there.  We face stiff competition for any guys of size because the % of the population that can walk and chew gum at the height is extraordinarily small.

I can only assume the #1 reason that it takes mid-majors like us more time to develop C and PF is because we get the less athletic or polished guys that P6 don't scoop up.  If this kid is already receiving attention from Purdue and the like, then we have an uphill battle.  Glad we are throwing our hat in the ring early though, because that is our best chance.

I continue to think our best sources for size are non-traditional markets outside of the USA.  These young men grow up playing soccer and I can tell you from first hand experience, soccer does wonders for athleticism.

Note:  I even think most P6 schools have to develop their C/PF too, because truthfully most of these young men hit crazy growth spurts that knock their coordination for a loop.  So I think it could be said that all but NBA bound C/PF need time to develop as freshmen at a greater % than other positions.

vu72

I think we are getting too hung up on finding a real big (as in 7') when The Valley is more athletic and quick.  We aren't in the Horizon any longer.  We need 6'7" or 6'8" quicker guys.  Think of Butler for example.  Sure, right now they have a 6'10" and 6'11" on their roster but they aren't the center (no pun intended) of their offense.  They have been successful with guys like Kelan Martin (6'7"), Tyler Wideman  (6'8") or Andrew Chrabascz (6'7") coupled with athletic guards who can shoot.
Season Results: CBI/CIT: 2008, 2011, 2014  NIT: 2003,2012, 2016(Championship Game) 2017   NCAA: 1962,1966,1967,1969,1973,1996,1997,1998 (Sweet Sixteen),1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2013 and 2015

FieldGoodie05

Quote from: vu72 on September 18, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
I think we are getting too hung up on finding a real big (as in 7') when The Valley is more athletic and quick.  We aren't in the Horizon any longer.  We need 6'7" or 6'8" quicker guys.  Think of Butler for example.  Sure, right now they have a 6'10" and 6'11" on their roster but they aren't the center (no pun intended) of their offense.  They have been successful with guys like Kelan Martin (6'7"), Tyler Wideman  (6'8") or Andrew Chrabascz (6'7") coupled with athletic guards who can shoot.

I'd agree (mostly) with that statement.  Height usually accompanies long reach, I'd take 6'9" all day that had a reach in the 7'0" plus range with a nice dash of athleticism.  But maybe I am dreaming with us getting that combination.  IRREGARDLESS ( ;D) we need to be recruiting length and quick!

M

I agree as well. Give me a few good ball handlers and shooters and a bunch of athletic 6'6'' - 6'9'' guys who are basically interchangeable.

VU2014

Might look good that we just beat UIC today. I'm not sure if he was watching the scrimmage or not.

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1056236298653130753

Caden Boser
Status: Undecided
Year: 2020 (HS JR)
Position: PF
Height: 6-7
Hometown: Eau Claire, WI
High School: Memorial High School
Rank: NA
Offers: UWM

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/caden-boser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4JL3qPy10

FieldGoodie05

Quote from: VU2014 on October 27, 2018, 06:26:48 PM
Might look good that we just beat UIC today. I'm not sure if he was watching the scrimmage or not.

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1056236298653130753

Caden Boser
Status: Undecided
Year: 2020 (HS JR)
Position: PF
Height: 6-7
Hometown: Eau Claire, WI
High School: Memorial High School
Rank: NA
Offers: UWM

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/caden-boser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4JL3qPy10

1) He can shoot
2) He's sort of, well...less than athletic
3) Watch his highlight video on mute, that's some suspect music that a tone deaf person might better enjoy

Still nice to see we are out on the recruiting trail to replace the 700 seniors we have that year.

VU2014

Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 27, 2018, 06:56:00 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 27, 2018, 06:26:48 PM
Might look good that we just beat UIC today. I'm not sure if he was watching the scrimmage or not.

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1056236298653130753

Caden Boser
Status: Undecided
Year: 2020 (HS JR)
Position: PF
Height: 6-7
Hometown: Eau Claire, WI
High School: Memorial High School
Rank: NA
Offers: UWM

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/caden-boser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4JL3qPy10

1) He can shoot
2) He's sort of, well...less than athletic
3) Watch his highlight video on mute, that's some suspect music that a tone deaf person might better enjoy

Still nice to see we are out on the recruiting trail to replace the 700 seniors we have that year.

His athleticism doesn't stick out, but these were his Freshman year of HS highlights so maybe he's still growing into his body. He's already 6-7.

tiny707

We need top recruit in 2020 that can recruit four of his friends for our own version of the FAB FIVE.

VU2014

https://twitter.com/PrepHoops_WI/status/1059610845733359616

Isaac Lindsey
Status: Undecided
Year: 2020 (HS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 155
Hometown: Mineral Point, WI
High School: Mineral Point High School
Rank: NA
Offers: Brown, UIC, UWM, DePaul, UNLV, SDSU, Green Bay
Interest: Wisconsin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps4Ac_PmUGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDBcR3B4L28

https://twitter.com/MovementHoops/status/1039999899436306432



VU2014

One of Valpo's 2020 PG recruits will be announcing his college decision on Friday. I don't think VU is in mix. His recruitment skyrocketed over the summer. I'm also pretty skeptical about HS junior verbal commits to program. (ex: Payton committing to ISUr and decommitting after more coaches recruit them).

http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/lorne-bowman-ii

It's seems like the coaches are targeting a PG for this class. I like the idea of getting one every 2 years to spread the scholarships. When someone graduates, they emerging upperclassmen theoretically should be ready to step right in and take the reigns.

https://twitter.com/SBock247/status/1062088031384035330

VU2014

#119
We're in Lorne Bowman's Final 4. I don't feel confident with this crop of schools but we were mentioned as one of the teams he is considering which is nice to hear. His stock has been rising. He has some nice things to say about Valpo and the coaches.

https://twitter.com/MatthewBain_/status/1062119824179036161

crusader05

I feel like just based on his answers he's going to Iowa, he seems to clearly be focused on their specific basketball strategy vs more general positive things about the others. BUT it's good to see us in the running and it helps to have out name mentioned with positive things being sad about the coach and the school.

FieldGoodie05

Quote from: VU2014 on November 14, 2018, 09:21:47 AM
We're in Lorne Bowman's Final 4. I don't feel confident with this crop of schools but we were mentioned as one of the teams he is considering which is nice to hear. His stock has been rising. He has some nice things to say about Valpo and the coaches.

https://twitter.com/MatthewBain_/status/1062119824179036161

So this would only be a verbal commitment since it's 2020.  If it were 2019 then coaches comment about "not expecting early signings" would be a mark against.

Also agree, that's a helluva list for a young man to turn down.  But glad to see we resonate with him.

VU2014

#122
Quote from: crusader05 on November 14, 2018, 09:35:02 AM
I feel like just based on his answers he's going to Iowa, he seems to clearly be focused on their specific basketball strategy vs more general positive things about the others. BUT it's good to see us in the running and it helps to have out name mentioned with positive things being sad about the coach and the school.

It seems like Iowa fans seem to think Wisconsin is the favorite but I have no clue where he's going. I haven't been following his recruitment too closely.

It's nice to hear that we're on a kid of his talents radar because the coaches identified his talent early on and entered his recruitment early on in the process. That's a positive sign. With Coach Lottich entering his third year as the head coach they're probably starting to establish recruiting avenues that take time to build up. What may have altered their recruiting strategy a bit was the switch the Valley because they need to recruit a different type of player than the ones they needed in the HL. I've heard it takes time for coaches to fully establish a recruitment network. We had a bit of a smoother tranistion with Coach Lottich being hired from within and Coach Gore staying with the program.

tiny707

Don't forget Valpo is closest school for Lorne. His family can watch alot of games. Hoping Javon is helping with recruits. It will be his team fall of 2020.

FieldGoodie05

Quote from: tiny707 on November 14, 2018, 05:47:12 PM
Don't forget Valpo is closest school for Lorne. His family can watch alot of games. Hoping Javon is helping with recruits. It will be his team fall of 2020.

I'd agree but 3hr 47min is hardly close enough to see a lot of games.